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by hailstan
Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:51 am
Forum: Topic-specific Argumentation
Topic: The irreducibility of consciousness
Replies: 22
Views: 1490

Re: The irreducibility of consciousness

I would suggest that we know a few other things besides. We know that mind can appear to mind as matter, as in the case of dreams and some hallucinatory states. We know that at least some matter is an outer appearance of inner life. And we know that both matter and mind can only be conceived of in ...
by hailstan
Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:58 pm
Forum: Topic-specific Argumentation
Topic: The irreducibility of consciousness
Replies: 22
Views: 1490

Re: The irreducibility of consciousness

Slightly off topic but I have been thinking recently, can we really conclude that idealism is any better than some kind of neutral monism? I understand the argument that since we know minds exist, using consciousness as a reduction base has a low epistemic cost. But it requires us to give properties...
by hailstan
Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:38 pm
Forum: Topic-specific Argumentation
Topic: The irreducibility of consciousness
Replies: 22
Views: 1490

Re: The irreducibility of consciousness

DandelionSoul, that is certainly related to what I'm talking about. I agree that this line of thinking shows clearly why physical properties shouldn't be seen as essential properties, but it doesn't go as far as demonstrating that mental properties are essential. Although I do think this becomes the...
by hailstan
Thu May 13, 2021 1:24 am
Forum: Topic-specific Argumentation
Topic: The irreducibility of consciousness
Replies: 22
Views: 1490

Re: The irreducibility of consciousness

Phenomenal qualities have causal efficacy in the mind, but not in the world. It makes sense to talk about a subjective feeling of pain influencing an organism's mood or behavior, and it makes sense to talk about a needle prick causing a physiological response in an organism. The problem is in trying...
by hailstan
Tue May 11, 2021 7:28 pm
Forum: Topic-specific Argumentation
Topic: The irreducibility of consciousness
Replies: 22
Views: 1490

Re: The irreducibility of consciousness

I figured it out. Phenomenal qualities aren't measurable because they don't play a causal role in the world. To take a measurement, you need a consistent, causal relationship between the phenomenon and the measuring instrument. The phenomenon modulates the behavior of the instrument in a useful and ...
by hailstan
Thu Apr 01, 2021 5:07 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Existence without space or time
Replies: 2
Views: 248

Existence without space or time

This is how I try to imagine existence/causality without space or time. First, existence without time. This can be modeled as something like a block universe, where time is represented spatially as a series of snapshots that follow in sequence. In the block universe, time does exist as a dimension, ...
by hailstan
Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:19 pm
Forum: Topic-specific Argumentation
Topic: The irreducibility of consciousness
Replies: 22
Views: 1490

Re: The irreducibility of consciousness

Thanks, this definitely gives me more to think about, although I still haven't quite answered the question "why?" as thoroughly as I'd like. Note that I said "physical account" and not "physicalist account"!
by hailstan
Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:06 am
Forum: Topic-specific Argumentation
Topic: The irreducibility of consciousness
Replies: 22
Views: 1490

The irreducibility of consciousness

I enjoy thinking of ways to frame the challenge of the hard problem and I'm trying to formulate it as rigorously as I can. I think I'm getting close, but I still have trouble expressing all of my thoughts exactly. Here's what I have right now. Any thoughts for how to improve it? Physical accounts ar...