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by AshvinP
Thu May 23, 2024 11:43 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Donald Hoffman's search for a mathematical theory of consciousness
Replies: 59
Views: 42272

Re: Donald Hoffman's search for a mathematical theory of consciousness

Likewise, if they say that an adequate explanation can only be something in which our first-person thinking perspective doesn't participate , they are clinging to past modern habits of analyzing the World state from a safe distance. If they say we can't become the explanation of how spiritual inten...
by AshvinP
Thu May 23, 2024 11:31 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: On the Gradient of Thinking
Replies: 33
Views: 346

Re: This forum

What you are referring to as 'states of consciousness' is CA that has been learned instinctively . The reasoning here is similar to a mathematical virtuoso who can simply do calculations 'in his sleep' saying, "There is no conscious activity here, I don't need to invoke anything, mathematical ...
by AshvinP
Thu May 23, 2024 7:18 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Donald Hoffman's search for a mathematical theory of consciousness
Replies: 59
Views: 42272

Re: Donald Hoffman's search for a mathematical theory of consciousness

Thanks for the insights, Cleric, I have nothing to disagree here. My only comment is that in the IFS example there is still a computational machinery that transforms our gestures into the resulting shapes. So, the IFS is an interplay of the willing gestures of the player and the "machine"...
by AshvinP
Thu May 23, 2024 1:42 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Donald Hoffman's search for a mathematical theory of consciousness
Replies: 59
Views: 42272

Re: Donald Hoffman's search for a mathematical theory of consciousness

I agree. But with all that said, the question again is how to integrate this living insightful approach with mathematics which is by nature a mental abstraction, so that we can continue developing sciences and technologies in more harmonious ways while still using all the power of mathematical tool...
by AshvinP
Thu May 23, 2024 12:32 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: On the Gradient of Thinking
Replies: 33
Views: 346

Re: This forum

Not denying anything you've written above - however, I am not referring to conscious activity. I am referring to what could be called 'states of consciousness'. The field of psychology has recognized 3 general states of consciousness, sleeping, dreaming and waking. The Upanishads recognize several ...
by AshvinP
Wed May 22, 2024 8:40 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Donald Hoffman's search for a mathematical theory of consciousness
Replies: 59
Views: 42272

Re: Donald Hoffman's search for a mathematical theory of consciousness

I'm sure Cleric can respond with more helpful elaborations, but I will only say that we are externalizing thinking (CA) as long we keep looking for some other 'mathematical or algorithmic structure' that should be responsible for shaping sensory experience, besides our own CA. We have to experience...
by AshvinP
Wed May 22, 2024 7:31 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Donald Hoffman's search for a mathematical theory of consciousness
Replies: 59
Views: 42272

Re: Donald Hoffman's search for a mathematical theory of consciousness

This is why Cleric says DH's approach is so susceptible to the TM fallacy. In the video, it is said that DH understands the fabric of space-time as 'derivative from the perspective of the CA hierarchy interactions' (around 38 min). What this means is that the space-time fabric is felt to be derivat...
by AshvinP
Wed May 22, 2024 6:25 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Donald Hoffman's search for a mathematical theory of consciousness
Replies: 59
Views: 42272

Re: Donald Hoffman's search for a mathematical theory of consciousness

Right, and if you actually read the latest DH paper or listen his lates interviews, he was able to break through this atomism and show mathematically how the interference of lower-level CAs leads to their fusion into higher-level CAs, or as he calls it, "nested hierarchy of conscious agents&qu...
by AshvinP
Wed May 22, 2024 4:58 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Donald Hoffman's search for a mathematical theory of consciousness
Replies: 59
Views: 42272

Re: Donald Hoffman's search for a mathematical theory of consciousness

Right, and if you actually read the latest DH paper or listen his lates interviews, he was able to break through this atomism and show mathematically how the interference of lower-level CAs leads to their fusion into higher-level CAs, or as he calls it, "nested hierarchy of conscious agents&qu...
by AshvinP
Wed May 22, 2024 4:32 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Donald Hoffman's search for a mathematical theory of consciousness
Replies: 59
Views: 42272

Re: Donald Hoffman's search for a mathematical theory of consciousness

I would actually argue that most of the scientific breakthroughs were achieved by scientists intuiting into the higher-order mind fields. However, in most cases they were not consciously aware of it, even though still many were. As Bach said in his last words on his death bed: "Do not cry for ...