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by Cleric K
Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:14 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: What we Learned from JW's Monism
Replies: 31
Views: 286

Re: What we Learned from JW's Monism

It is the task of evolution that we unfold this Cosmic structure. If evolution is unfolding, where does the "original" foldedness come from? it all "started" with a folded mess? Or are we talking about a more local context such as in "we created this folded mess ourselves b...
by Cleric K
Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:55 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: New Bigelow Prize Competition!
Replies: 8
Views: 56

Re: New Bigelow Prize Competition!

S wirling bodilessly in the spiritual void were the ten lords and ladies of existence. These were the proto-beings known as Lord Time (sometimes incorrectly called Time Lord), Lady Space, Lord Energy, Lady Matter, Lady Gravity, Lord Willing, Lady Perceiving, Lady Feeling, Lord Sensation and Lord Th...
by Cleric K
Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:40 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: What we Learned from JW's Monism
Replies: 31
Views: 286

Re: What we Learned from JW's Monism

No. I, like Marx, Hegel and Berdyaev, admit that all thinking is socially conditioned, whilst Steinerians do not admit this. OK, I see. There's no doubt that thinking is socially conditioned but to say that for all thinking is a very strong claim. Indeed, how can the Thinking of transpersonal Mind,...
by Cleric K
Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:14 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: observtiton, logic, folklore and presuppositions
Replies: 24
Views: 207

Re: observtiton, logic, folklore and presuppositions

So we can appreciate that Steiner is very emphatic that he can explain with his clairvoyance why red is the cause for the bull's wild reactions. And he can also use his clairvoyance to assure us that white skin can not appear when the Christ Impulse is being rejected. Both are claims that all of us...
by Cleric K
Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:10 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: What we Learned from JW's Monism
Replies: 31
Views: 286

Re: What we Learned from JW's Monism

No. I, like Marx, Hegel and Berdyaev, admit that all thinking is socially conditioned, whilst Steinerians do not admit this. OK, I see. There's no doubt that thinking is socially conditioned but to say that for all thinking is a very strong claim. This is the whole essence of PoF - that through unp...
by Cleric K
Tue Dec 07, 2021 4:54 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: What we Learned from JW's Monism
Replies: 31
Views: 286

Re: What we Learned from JW's Monism

You've answered your own question. Steinerians do not look to their own Thinking, but to the pre-conceived map provided by Steiner. Justin, this is simply not serious. In the same way I can say that you don't think for yourself but simply reiterate the map provided by Marx. Isn't it clear that chea...
by Cleric K
Tue Dec 07, 2021 4:14 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: A clean room for a specific exploration
Replies: 48
Views: 1062

Re: A clean room for a specific exploration

Watch how Cleric described his experience of reading my comments. Notice how his experience is and then compare it with your own. I know many of you so I know the various ways we share understandings and the various ways we are still coming to understand different aspects of this topic. And then no...
by Cleric K
Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:47 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: A clean room for a specific exploration
Replies: 48
Views: 1062

Re: A clean room for a specific exploration

But, hey, if somebody thinks there is a way to actually dialog here, teach me. Also, know that I assume Cleric is a very good person and isn't trying to obfuscate. He always comes across as earnest. And he puts much time and thought into teaching people here his view on Steiner. Mostly importantly ...
by Cleric K
Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:23 pm
Forum: Topic-specific Discourse
Topic: what is not in mind is abstract
Replies: 24
Views: 164

Re: what is not in mind is abstract

With that you are most certainly right with all of this. What is starting to make me grumpy is that the more I think about abstraction the less I understand what it is. I think it means "set apart from reality" or whatever wikipedia might have to say on it. Others use the term in a more c...
by Cleric K
Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:05 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Criticism
Replies: 796
Views: 7056

Re: Criticism

If you'd listen carefully to him, and not just apply your own prejudices onto his words, you'd see he has a point. Martin, what do you make out of JW's insistence that Energy is the basis of all? And the question was not even if Energy or Consciousness is the basis - it was the simple fact that bef...