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by Eugene I
Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:58 am
Forum: Topic-specific Discourse
Topic: Formlessness><form as the uncaused, irreducible ontic fundamental
Replies: 113
Views: 11590

Re: Formlessness><form as the uncaused, irreducible ontic fundamental

So you are proposing that qualia can exist without any meaning, or the OP is separate from all qualia? Some conscious phenomena (such as sense perceptions for example) bear no meanings. For example, what is the meaning of a sound of wind? Meanings are only the qualia of thoughts (and the thoughts a...
by Eugene I
Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:06 am
Forum: Topic-specific Discourse
Topic: Formlessness><form as the uncaused, irreducible ontic fundamental
Replies: 113
Views: 11590

Re: Formlessness><form as the uncaused, irreducible ontic fundamental

We seem to have gone about 80% off-topic here. So let me try to bring it back: Does anyone disagree, or partially agrees but would modify somewhat, with the claim that mumorphism is the ontological prime? Well, as any idea or concept, it can only be a pointer to the prime, since any idea can never ...
by Eugene I
Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:59 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Levels of consciousness
Replies: 10
Views: 1058

Re: Levels of consciousness

Lou Gold wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:21 pm What if reincarnation (incremental evolution) occurs within a species state and one-shot-only (punctuated evolution) occurs as the species becomes extinct? Somehow, I grok an intriguing drift. What do you think of it?
I duno... may be :)
by Eugene I
Tue Mar 30, 2021 3:27 pm
Forum: Topic-specific Discourse
Topic: Formlessness><form as the uncaused, irreducible ontic fundamental
Replies: 113
Views: 11590

Re: Formlessness><form as the uncaused, irreducible ontic fundamental

What you described by analogy is also known as metaphysical idealism-monism. No image or ideal content exists independent of consciousness and no consciousness exists independently of any other consciousness. Everyone agrees on that. We also agree on the bolded statement, and all we need is the ont...
by Eugene I
Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:13 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Levels of consciousness
Replies: 10
Views: 1058

Re: Levels of consciousness

At both extremes, touching each other as the ouroboros, the formative causation and the formless potential would join, being the formative the FATHER, the formless the HOLY SPIRIT and the in between the SON. All the spectrum would be the SELF, and the process of individuation would be the deep unde...
by Eugene I
Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:54 am
Forum: Topic-specific Discourse
Topic: Formlessness><form as the uncaused, irreducible ontic fundamental
Replies: 113
Views: 11590

Re: Formlessness><form as the uncaused, irreducible ontic fundamental

That could be the case under the Western view when experiencing much higher realms of cognition, but not under the Eastern view where any sense of "I" or "Self" must be an illusion. Basically, I don't see how humanity could go on existing if experience of Reality meant a failure...
by Eugene I
Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:07 am
Forum: Topic-specific Discourse
Topic: Formlessness><form as the uncaused, irreducible ontic fundamental
Replies: 113
Views: 11590

Re: Formlessness><form as the uncaused, irreducible ontic fundamental

I guess in a way there is something similar in what I am saying about god, in that all our descriptions like “father”, “god”, “being” etc are also in a way like fingers pointing at the moon. However the divine mystic experience is not one of ‘that which you always knew but weren’t aware of’. It tru...
by Eugene I
Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:37 pm
Forum: Topic-specific Discourse
Topic: Formlessness><form as the uncaused, irreducible ontic fundamental
Replies: 113
Views: 11590

Re: Formlessness><form as the uncaused, irreducible ontic fundamental

When I was an atheist, I decided that this image of parents to young kids, as knowing and controlling almost everything, was the origin of the idea of god. It seemed to me this left a gap in the psyche that people filled with god or gods. In some ways my atheist idea of god seems closer to your ide...
by Eugene I
Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:16 pm
Forum: Topic-specific Discourse
Topic: Formlessness><form as the uncaused, irreducible ontic fundamental
Replies: 113
Views: 11590

Re: Formlessness><form as the uncaused, irreducible ontic fundamental

I don't know, but I can speculate, based on Merrell-Wolff's experience. Which was: experiencing what he called "Nirvana", which he defined as "awareness of absence of objects", as distinct from normal consciousness as being "awareness of objects". Then he moved on to a...
by Eugene I
Mon Mar 29, 2021 8:10 pm
Forum: Topic-specific Discourse
Topic: Formlessness><form as the uncaused, irreducible ontic fundamental
Replies: 113
Views: 11590

Re: Formlessness><form as the uncaused, irreducible ontic fundamental

So, IMO, both developmental paths and perspectives are valid and beneficial. We do need to develop under the guidance of our parenting Divinity, follow its ideas, telos and meanings to learn from (which is opened to us in Christianity and most other monotheistic traditions), and at the same time at ...