Philosophical Speculations

1. The point of the Goethe quote, and there are many more like it, is that Kant’s noumenal does not exist - an implicit rejection of metaphysics. Goethe sees reason, spirit, etc as embedded in immanent reality. In this instance, there is nothing behind the blue sky, but everything is made apparent ...

1.”Das Höchste wäre, zu begreifen, daß alles Faktische schon Theorie ist. Die Bläue des Himmels offenbart uns das Grundgesetz der Chromatik. Man suche nur nichts hinter den Phänomenen; sie selbst sind die “ Maximen und Reflexionen 488 What you are quoting points directly to the fact that Goethe con...

JW, Thank you for the elaboration. To be clear, I also am only interested in our own views which we have reasoned through. I bring up Goethe as an example of an epistemology that directly challenges Kant's and all other implicitly dualistic epistemologies. That is really what I want to hone in on h...

Very few have ever considered me unserious. In the quote above I was addressing a mischaracterization of my thinking, not going into Goethe or Schiller. Yes, I have read both extensively and in the original German, although not since my undergraduate years. Neither really interested me. But if you ...

I am indeed. It isn’t I who is refusing to look at those arguments. That was my starting point decades ago. I outgrew them. If that were true, then you would be able to summarize their arguments and/or provide counter-arguments. Instead, when I brought up the arguments here, you responded as if you...

And so we turn to those who have been on this journey all along, letting their direct experience sing through them to presence Itself in our midst, should we let it - the poets, artists, and musicians. It is within their presented experience that we can poetically explore it ourselves. But you are ...

Soul_of_Shu wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:26 pm

JeffreyW wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:11 pm Go with whatever you want, but there is no reason to take it seriously.

Likewise, I can find no reason to take seriously immanently non-aware Being.

The difference is we experience non-aware Being every day. We do not experience consciousness outside living beings.

If consciousness bathes the universe, why hasn’t the entire universe collapsed into Eigenstate? Are you talking about a hypothesis that consciousness causes the QF to collapse into eigenstate? It was experimentally proven to be wrong. In QM experiments (e.g. the double-slit experiment) the measurem...

Soul_of_Shu wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:05 pm

JeffreyW wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:07 pm The important question is not how did consciousness arise ...

Good, then one can just as well go with it never had to arise to begin with.

Go with whatever you want, but there is no reason to take it seriously.

In our basic experience we encounter things, and the perpetual appearance of new things lets us know there are many things we have yet to encounter. To stray from this basis of experience, such as to suggest these aren’t things or they only exist when we observe them is the metaphysical speculation...