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- Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:45 pm
- Forum: General Discussions
- Topic: Cleric's Responses to Mystical Metaphysics (or How to Make a Logical Argument)
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Re: Cleric's Responses to Mystical Metaphysics (or How to Make a Logical Argument)
The history of the pragmatic theory of truth is tied to the history of classical American pragmatism. According to the standard account, C.S. Peirce gets credit for first proposing a pragmatic theory of truth, William James is responsible for popularizing the pragmatic theory, and John Dewey subseq...
- Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:38 pm
- Forum: General Discussions
- Topic: Cleric's Responses to Mystical Metaphysics (or How to Make a Logical Argument)
- Replies: 217
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Re: Cleric's Responses to Mystical Metaphysics (or How to Make a Logical Argument)
Anyway, all of this is to make clear why "no universal limits to knowledge" is a pragmatic truth based on Steiner's reasoning. So, if "pragmatic truth" is supposed to mean an assertion that we can conditionally adopt for practical purposes, then I have no problem with such asser...
- Wed Sep 22, 2021 6:01 pm
- Forum: General Discussions
- Topic: What causes bad trips?
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Re: What causes bad trips?
This situation reminds me of William Blake's The Marriage of Heaven and Hell , where devils and angels discuss their respective lots, and what to the angels seems like Heaven looks like Hell to the devils, and vice versa. Of course, the question remains: who is here the angel, and who the devil? :)...
- Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:28 pm
- Forum: General Discussions
- Topic: Cleric's Responses to Mystical Metaphysics (or How to Make a Logical Argument)
- Replies: 217
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Re: Cleric's Responses to Mystical Metaphysics (or How to Make a Logical Argument)
Ashvin, you are confusing pragmatic assertions with proofs of nonexistence. No, Eugene, I am saying your definition of "proof" is a nonsensical one, a definition which was only made possible in the modern age ironically due to non-existent 3rd person spectator perspective (which obviously...
- Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:12 pm
- Forum: General Discussions
- Topic: Cleric's Responses to Mystical Metaphysics (or How to Make a Logical Argument)
- Replies: 217
- Views: 11482
Re: Cleric's Responses to Mystical Metaphysics (or How to Make a Logical Argument)
Ashvin, you are confusing pragmatic assertions with proofs of nonexistence. No, Eugene, I am saying your definition of "proof" is a nonsensical one, a definition which was only made possible in the modern age ironically due to non-existent 3rd person spectator perspective (which obviously...
- Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:41 pm
- Forum: General Discussions
- Topic: Cleric's Responses to Mystical Metaphysics (or How to Make a Logical Argument)
- Replies: 217
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Re: Cleric's Responses to Mystical Metaphysics (or How to Make a Logical Argument)
3) "There are no universal limits to knowledge, only individual ones" - Again, this is a conclusion Steiner reaches after many pages of logical argumentation. I really hope you now understand the difference between simply stating metaphysical conclusions and reasoning them out from the gi...
- Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:32 pm
- Forum: General Discussions
- Topic: Cleric's Responses to Mystical Metaphysics (or How to Make a Logical Argument)
- Replies: 217
- Views: 11482
Re: Cleric's Responses to Mystical Metaphysics (or How to Make a Logical Argument)
it's just a practical tactics to dismantle the naive realism belief in the existence of "things" independent of conscious/spiritual activity that actually creates them. The whole thing is that in the way the words are used, this "conscious/spiritual activity" is ultimately a Wor...
- Wed Sep 22, 2021 2:59 pm
- Forum: General Discussions
- Topic: Cleric's Responses to Mystical Metaphysics (or How to Make a Logical Argument)
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Re: Cleric's Responses to Mystical Metaphysics (or How to Make a Logical Argument)
1) From what I 've read, I haven't seen any explicit ontological idealist statements by Steiner, so it looks like the original PoF is not specifically idealism. But you always described it as ideaism, that's why I assumed that it is. So, may be your interpretation of PoF and the original Steiner's ...
- Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:36 pm
- Forum: General Discussions
- Topic: Cleric's Responses to Mystical Metaphysics (or How to Make a Logical Argument)
- Replies: 217
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Re: Cleric's Responses to Mystical Metaphysics (or How to Make a Logical Argument)
"Finally, someone who adopts our beliefs!" The only way I can describe this heartening feeling is as if one witnesses a bird that finds its way out of a cage and flies freely. Neither I nor Ashvin take credit for this. An interesting statement- that you can speak for Ashvin. Similar writi...
- Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:21 am
- Forum: General Discussions
- Topic: Cleric's Responses to Mystical Metaphysics (or How to Make a Logical Argument)
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Re: Cleric's Responses to Mystical Metaphysics (or How to Make a Logical Argument)
I don't think it's right that PoF starts from idealism. It may be that Steiner knew where he was going before writing it, but you'd expect that of someone writing a book. And phenomenology is my only "way in". Others might have a different entry point. Just as Bernardo's work and persiste...