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by findingblanks
Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:09 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Philosophy Unbound: Schopenhauer vs. Steiner (Round One)
Replies: 513
Views: 35808

Re: Philosophy Unbound: Schopenhauer vs. Steiner (Round One)

Beautifully put! I find there is a kind of failure-drama that hums underneath even the most clear line of thinking or observation. This hum can become something like what Steiner refers to as the 'knowledge-drama, if it is attended to... Young Steiner was so deeply hopeful that his book The Philosop...
by findingblanks
Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:49 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Philosophy Unbound: Schopenhauer vs. Steiner (Round One)
Replies: 513
Views: 35808

Re: Philosophy Unbound: Schopenhauer vs. Steiner (Round One)

My phenomenology of doing the exercise? I pick up the pencil. I feel my intention to remain focused and I tell myself "Don't simply associate." When old, already used ideas spontaneously arisie, I notice myself intend them away and focus again on the pencil. A specific idea arises in unisi...
by findingblanks
Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:34 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Philosophy Unbound: Schopenhauer vs. Steiner (Round One)
Replies: 513
Views: 35808

Re: Philosophy Unbound: Schopenhauer vs. Steiner (Round One)

No, I agree. I look at the pencil. I encounter pure percepts 'on' it. Then I go and find the concepts that must be attached to the pencil before I recognize them as such. What could be more clear. Just like the pencil exercise examples, each of those concepts was first experienced a pure percept. We...
by findingblanks
Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:13 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Philosophy Unbound: Schopenhauer vs. Steiner (Round One)
Replies: 513
Views: 35808

Re: Philosophy Unbound: Schopenhauer vs. Steiner (Round One)

"I am sure everyone here has had an experience where they perceived a sound yet did not pursue it much further.." I address this common example in my long post today with all the Steiner quotes. I understand why we eventually feel the pressure to say that he is always talking about this k...
by findingblanks
Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:08 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Philosophy Unbound: Schopenhauer vs. Steiner (Round One)
Replies: 513
Views: 35808

Re: Philosophy Unbound: Schopenhauer vs. Steiner (Round One)

"I'm saying that's impossible to experience them phenomenologically in the way you demand." Oh, I can't wait to see what way I demanded they be experienced. I demand that you experience 'finding' a concept like X, Y Z, and I DEMAND that you experience 'attaching it to the percept" li...
by findingblanks
Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:51 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Philosophy Unbound: Schopenhauer vs. Steiner (Round One)
Replies: 513
Views: 35808

Re: Philosophy Unbound: Schopenhauer vs. Steiner (Round One)

"When someone sees a tree, his thinking reacts to his observation, an ideal element is added to the object, and he considers the object and the ideal counterpart as belonging together." I understand that some people may think that Steiner is talking about a child here. I do not. I think i...
by findingblanks
Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:33 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Philosophy Unbound: Schopenhauer vs. Steiner (Round One)
Replies: 513
Views: 35808

Re: Philosophy Unbound: Schopenhauer vs. Steiner (Round One)

"You are not trying to do phenomenology, which starts with givens of our experience, i.e. Thinking activity in relation to perceptions." You are a smart person. If you've written an article for one of the Anthroposophical journals in which you criticize Steiner for this, I'd love to read ...
by findingblanks
Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:31 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Philosophy Unbound: Schopenhauer vs. Steiner (Round One)
Replies: 513
Views: 35808

Re: Philosophy Unbound: Schopenhauer vs. Steiner (Round One)

"It is that "setting aside" which is so problematic..." Well, from two direct messages I have received in the last 33 minutes, I can tell you that not everybody interpreted my 'setting aside' as you do. Again, my job is to keep noticing how and why you make that kind of interpre...
by findingblanks
Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:59 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Philosophy Unbound: Schopenhauer vs. Steiner (Round One)
Replies: 513
Views: 35808

Re: Philosophy Unbound: Schopenhauer vs. Steiner (Round One)

"You should understand that "it always goes like that" because you demand something impossible and not because others are stuck in their conceptions." Again, I'd be curious if you consistently apply this kind of intellectual reasoning and apply it to Steiner, say, in his partrid...
by findingblanks
Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:49 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Philosophy Unbound: Schopenhauer vs. Steiner (Round One)
Replies: 513
Views: 35808

Re: Philosophy Unbound: Schopenhauer vs. Steiner (Round One)

"Steiner's ontic prime is Thinking (and Willing and Feeling), so of course he does not deny that meaning is inherent to all experience. Therefore, one cannot possibly step outside of experience and observe how meaning arrives to experience in the first instance." Okay, so setting aside wh...