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by Lou Gold
Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:56 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Consciousness and Civilization
Replies: 36
Views: 7822

Re: Consciousness and Civilization

'Mysteriousness' is 'airy-fairy' (IMO), Lou. I guess that baiting with dismissive language in order to have something to hang your texts on is an unalterable habit. :D Exploring the great mysteriousness with curiosity, care and respect is precisely what good science does. This is hardly 'airy-fairy...
by Lou Gold
Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:22 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Schizophrenia, Sin and the Self (Owen Barfield)
Replies: 34
Views: 4711

Re: Schizophrenia, Sin and the Self (Owen Barfield)

How can you have a community if some members remain "fierce, untamable and wild"? Extreme diversity of values and memories leads to disintegration. Initiation/Integration is precisely the 'taming' operation. It is walking softly while carrying a big stick, becoming the blessed meek. Menta...
by Lou Gold
Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:02 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Consciousness and Civilization
Replies: 36
Views: 7822

Re: Consciousness and Civilization

But mysterious ways and so on, agriculture and fossil energy all part of the process we are living. Local diversity has been largely a tribe calling themselves The humans/The people in their language, and others not or at least less so. The problem we face today is in consensus terms overdoing the ...
by Lou Gold
Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:46 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Schizophrenia, Sin and the Self (Owen Barfield)
Replies: 34
Views: 4711

Re: Schizophrenia, Sin and the Self (Owen Barfield)

A community of people nurtures and heals and thus captures a shaman disease for their benefit. On the other hand, not all bodies want to be or are able to be thus captured and tamed. The fierce, untamable and wild aspect is not necessarily in need of healing, but can easily be considered anti-socia...
by Lou Gold
Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:43 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Schizophrenia, Sin and the Self (Owen Barfield)
Replies: 34
Views: 4711

Re: Schizophrenia, Sin and the Self (Owen Barfield)

The communal need and desire to nurture and capture shamans is also not without it's violent side. It's a sacrifice of one for the benefit of many. A collective Peter Pan syndrome. Our social evolution is largely a process of trial and error driven by that deep tension. Sure! Tension and harmony. S...
by Lou Gold
Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:27 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Consciousness and Civilization
Replies: 36
Views: 7822

Re: Consciousness and Civilization

I agree that if scale is the problem as such, we are in big trouble and hopeless dead end. World peace is a scaling problem. Iroquois Confederation was a step in scaling process towards world peace. Lou, Cursed be the Peacemaker? World peace is a scaling up of respect for diversity and not a one wa...
by Lou Gold
Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:23 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Consciousness and Civilization
Replies: 36
Views: 7822

Re: Consciousness and Civilization

Santeri, You are playing word games again. Expanding the citizenship realm and its rules balancing liberty and responsibility is not the same 'scaling up' as in spreading petro chemical agriculture monocrop agriculture to the world. There's a difference between one-size-for-all scaling-up and defend...
by Lou Gold
Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:38 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Schizophrenia, Sin and the Self (Owen Barfield)
Replies: 34
Views: 4711

Re: Schizophrenia, Sin and the Self (Owen Barfield)

Santeri, Similar story when Ramana Maharshi showed up at Arunachala Hill and fell helpless into an ecstatic state where he might have died except for the care of a supportive culture. Interestingly, the Dagara people (according to Malidoma) refer to people in strong breaks as "having gone priva...
by Lou Gold
Sun Jan 17, 2021 1:52 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Consciousness, Civilization and Citizenship
Replies: 42
Views: 5104

Re: Consciousness, Civilization and Citizenship

That's an example of people murdering other people to protect their profits... I'm not sure how it relates to using "self defense" as a justification for violence. Granted that there's a clash of interests that can be complex at the local level, sadly, in current times in Brazil lots of i...
by Lou Gold
Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:58 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Consciousness, Civilization and Citizenship
Replies: 42
Views: 5104

Re: Consciousness, Civilization and Citizenship

Over here, that way of thinking would mostly fall on the left. It's sometimes referred to as "eco-terrorism". We also find the same "self-defense" justification used by groups such as Antifa ("anti-fascists"). Such people cannot be argued with rationally. The idea that...