Philosophical Speculations

Eugene I wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:55 pmIt can then fully return to dancing while knowing that in its essence it is not dancing, but THAT which dances and experiences dancing.

Once again, trace the origin of this, other than forever now.

Eugene I wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:09 pm... and the original "Phena Sutta" taught by Buddha himself is much better and clearer one.

A river not dancing, ain't no river ~ The Shu Sutra

Lou Gold wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:34 pmIs a forest a sentient being?

A forest is the sentient being. Is it an individual alter of that, such that there is some ipseity it is like to be a forest, which one can say with certainty is not a human projection upon it, your guess is as good as mine.

Yes, there is such experience, no question about that. But what do we do then with an actual experience of "emptiness at rest and not dancing"? It disproves the claim that "there is only ever emptiness dancing". Not to say that "emptiness not dancing" is any "bett...

There are so many "tacts" and ways to rationally reflect it, and there is nothing wrong with them. What is important is whether there is an actual experience of the direct knowing of it or not. Because if there is no such experience, all these representations would remain only fantasies o...

Let's try a different tact .... If instead of going with consciousness ideating, how about going with Adyashanti's 'emptiness dancing', then is it possible to point to a 'dancer' that is not dancing, which at some untraceable point begins dancing? Or is there only ever emptiness dancing?

Eugene I wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:55 pmConsciousness can exist without any ideas whatsoever ...

That's a curious idea.

Is there really a difference between 'consciousness is all there is', and 'ideation is all there is'?

"Consciousness is all there is" ... Yet it seems even as the primacy of consciousness is accepted, still the profound implications of this premise are missed, while the notion persists that consciousness is some fundamental substrate out of which some substance of matter is inexplicably f...

Thanks for sharing. This is a very important discussion to consider. One of Gebser's remarkable contributions in this topic of the evolution of consciousness is his brilliant elaboration of the different structures through a large number of examples and references. He does not stop at one or two bu...