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- Wed Dec 22, 2021 6:24 pm
- Forum: Bernardo gets a room of his own
- Topic: Hierarchies of Dissociation
- Replies: 31
- Views: 2108
Re: Hierarchies of Dissociation
Ashvin taught: "It is patently clear no scientific rigor goes into BK's analysis, only loose metaphors which are eventually conflated for that which they were originally intended to only be abstract spatiotemporal symbols of." Okay, so we know a couple things: 1) BK's work has no scientifi...
- Wed Dec 22, 2021 6:05 pm
- Forum: General Discussions
- Topic: Bernardo vs Graham Oppy!!
- Replies: 116
- Views: 5259
Re: Bernardo vs Graham Oppy!!
Starbuck, yes, for sure, Bernardo would see the process of evolution as much more creative than, say, the kind of spiritualist who has a model that states certain beings already had a very clear goal of getting the human form to come about. And there is a massive spectrum in between. Rudolf Steiner ...
- Wed Dec 22, 2021 5:45 pm
- Forum: General Discussions
- Topic: If thinking could mean...
- Replies: 12
- Views: 576
Re: If thinking could mean...
Yeah, the interesting thing is noticing how specifically a given symbol will both carry forward the intricacy and how it won't. At the same freakin' time
- Wed Dec 22, 2021 5:25 pm
- Forum: General Discussions
- Topic: Bernardo vs Graham Oppy!!
- Replies: 116
- Views: 5259
Re: Bernardo vs Graham Oppy!!
It is fascinating to see the way people want Bernardo's core purpose in life to be more like other people's core purpose in life. Bernardo could not be more clear or honest about what his arguments are intended for. When Rudolf Steiner got a haircut, he wasn't trying to learn about insects. Imagine ...
- Wed Dec 22, 2021 1:08 am
- Forum: General Discussions
- Topic: Anthroposophy for Dummies
- Replies: 327
- Views: 373305
Re: Anthroposophy for Dummies
Hey Cleric. I thought I remember reading that you had created a sub-group for general discussion of Steiner. Is this it?
- Wed Dec 22, 2021 1:06 am
- Forum: General Discussions
- Topic: Bernardo vs Graham Oppy!!
- Replies: 116
- Views: 5259
Re: Bernardo vs Graham Oppy!!
Hey Ben, I see there is a really great conversation about the possibility of layers of dissociation within BK's model. It is in the discussion room that is for focusing on BK specifically. What a relief that there is a spot that specifically asks all of us to focus on one topic! Do you know if there...
- Wed Dec 22, 2021 1:02 am
- Forum: General Discussions
- Topic: Bernardo vs Graham Oppy!!
- Replies: 116
- Views: 5259
Re: Bernardo vs Graham Oppy!!
Starbuck the only think I might disagree with (if I'm understanding you) is that Bernardo maintains that the very nature of Reality is 'moving towards' creation in a way that can be described as intelligent, whereas the typical modern physicalist will strip all teleology out of the reduction base. K...
- Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:58 am
- Forum: General Discussions
- Topic: Bernardo vs Graham Oppy!!
- Replies: 116
- Views: 5259
Re: Bernardo vs Graham Oppy!!
One of the reasons that Rudolf Steiner sang the praises of the pure materialist Ernst Haeckel was because he simply loved his thoughts. Guess what, Ernst Haeckel's thoughts were inferential and speculative, linked by logic and grounded in 100% materialist assumptions about the nature of reality. Who...
- Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:53 pm
- Forum: General Discussions
- Topic: Bernardo vs Graham Oppy!!
- Replies: 116
- Views: 5259
Re: Bernardo vs Graham Oppy!!
Starbuck, I would say that. And I think that the intrinsic excitations might by necessity fit the definition of 'intelligent,' especially as BK tends to use it.
- Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:51 pm
- Forum: General Discussions
- Topic: Bernardo vs Graham Oppy!!
- Replies: 116
- Views: 5259
Re: Bernardo vs Graham Oppy!!
"So what I am claiming is not all disparaging to BK or singling him out." I didn't say you were disparaging him. I said you were 100% incorrect that BK's view rules out top-down involution of Spirit. The fact is that BK has acknowledged that there could be layers of dissociation that creat...