Pythagoras was the first "ontological mathematician" when he said "everything is number".SanteriSatama wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:28 pmI like the word "marry", with connotations of "biblical sense of knowing", cosmic love making, deep participation etc. I just learned that word-concept 'cosmos' goes back to Pythagoras, the deep experience of Beauty which is both sensual and rational, the "divine proportions" at the root of theology of mathematics.Squidgers wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:21 am I get that some people can just accept the notion of an underlying spirit which differentiates itself (which is the same as BKs description for the mechanism of cosmic consciousness disassociating) - but I think the same thing can be said in more specific and nuanced ways.

Why not marry spiritual, experiential and scientific knowledge in the metaphysics?

Coherence theory of truth and mathematics as general study ofrelationscan help to remarry mathematics with Cosmic participation. For Pythagoras and Neo-Platonists the Cosmic participation was expressed as mythological sense of numerology (see especially Iamblichus:The Theology of Arithmetic) as well as Sacred Geometry. Euclid's Elementa is teleological proof narrative to establish the Cosmic truth and beauty of the five Platonic Solids.

How to (re)marry mathematics, which has been so far mainly static system building, with continuous motion which is prerequisite with our ideal of ethical ans spiritual progress? Greek geometry in the form of drawing instructions with straight edge and compass was continuous motion, but current standard math built around analysis with real numbers has lost touch with cosmic participation, as point reductionism makes motion impossible and numerological sense of number evaporates in the gap of Dedekind cut. The post-modern math of formalism has become deeply nihilistic and alienated, which manifests in our lives mainly as the sadistic tyranny of administrative use of quantitative measuring that denies our humanity and empathy.

Most manifestly and self-evidently continuous motion as well as many our progressive questions of practical ethics occur in the massively parallel computation, which has reached the level of complexity that is not accessible to any single human mind. We don't have any decent foundational theory of pure mathematics available for sense making of the mathematical reality of our everyday lives, to be able to participate meaningfully and refind cosmic meaning and beauty of mathematics coherent with progressive spiritual and practical ethics.

This challenge of cosmic participation is the motivation of my foundational hobby.

I still think Nevens attempt at recasting numbers as wave frequencies is an elegant attempt at marrying mathematics with spiritual and metaphysical insight, since waves are scale invariant.