AshvinP wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:46 pm
Ben Iscatus wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:08 am
"New age BS and blind hubris" is not sneering tone?
No, it's not. The suggestion that we are in control of our destiny is just ridiculous and deserves to be called out. I suggest you read the latest post by John Michael Greer.
I did the whole "collapse" blog thing for awhile - peak oil, peak climate warming, peak arable land use, peak financial debt, peak asset bubbles, peak this, peak that. They are the most low resolution fragments of truth about very complex systems, which explains why their predictions on timing of these things is always off. If I remember correctly, JMG is an Archdruid, which ties into ancient Germanic-Norse mythology. I may give that some coverage in a future essay. And if JMG understands the deep spiritual foundation of Druidry, then he must be an optimist in the exact same way I am. It all comes down to whether we take idealism and/or our spiritual worldview seriously - some people just like the feeling of "belonging" to an interesting sub-culture, and then import abstract physicalism and all its rigid thinking into that view so there is no practical difference in their thinking or their lives. You may want to call yourself out on that one.
Although JMG is clearly still thinking in rigid modern physicalist terms when dealing with scientific theories, I will give him credit for trying to take a more holistic, long-range view of what's happening.
JMG wrote:What I’m suggesting is that we need to think of the future as a landscape: not a single place where only one thing happens and nothing ever changes again, but as a vast and unmapped territory with many different kinds of terrain, where many groups of people live in many different ways, some more successfully than others. Remember, too, that most of the people who live in that landscape will never have heard of us and won’t care about what we thought or said or did. I suspect that that’s the thing that galls our collective sense of entitlement most bitterly and generates the shrill self-pity so common these days—“but we’re special!”
No, not to the landscape of the future, we aren’t. The sooner we let go of our overinflated sense of importance and grasp that we’re just one civilization out of many, going through the familiar arc of rise and fall, the sooner we can get to work on the possibilities that are still within reach.
Now let me try to relate this back to the actual focus of this forum and thread. Some modern philosophers have also come to the bolded conclusion - see Oswald Spengler's The Decline of the West
, for example. That is a much higher resolution analysis which looks at the metaphysical underpinnings and evolving dynamics of all ancient civilizations (of current age) up to the present day. So what are the "possibilities that are still within reach
"? I hold those are precisely the possibilities of expanding our consciousness and leaving behind this rigid, mechanical thinking of the modern age, where everyone perceives themselves as helpless and isolated cogs in a machine, constrained by the dictates of physical contours and resources, thereby creating a self-fulfilling and Self-destroying prophecy, instead of actively participatory 'becomings
'; microcosms of the macrocosm
. If you want to put Goethe, Schiller, Hegel, Coleridge, Steiner, Spengler, Bergson, Barfield, Teilhard de Chardin, Sri Auribindo, etc., along with all foundational ancient philosophy and mythology, into "new age" that's fine, but their shared intuitions are certainly not "BS".
Wiki wrote:For Spengler becoming is the basic element and being is static and secondary, not the other way around. He advises that his philosophy in a nutshell is contained in these lines from Goethe: "the God-head is effective in the living and not in the dead, in the becoming and the changing, not in the become and the set-fast; and therefore, similarly the intuition is concerned only to strive towards the divine through the becoming and the living, and logic only to make use of the become and the set-fast".