Rudolf Steiner: Vaccines to Kill The Soul?!

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Re: Rudolf Steiner: Vaccines to Kill The Soul?!

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Ben Iscatus wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:59 pmI think (sic) because it's a one-size-fits-all solution, which betrays mechanized, socialist principles ;-)
I knew this topic would run the risk of being politicized. I'm going to complain to the mod! :mrgreen:

I'm just full of questions now ... Are evolved idea constructions that tend to increase lifespan within the corporeal construct necessarily beneficial, if it keeps a soul lingering in this 'school' too long, now on average 25 years longer in Canuckistan since the year Steiner checked out (1925) at the age of 64?
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Soul_of_Shu wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:13 pm
Ben Iscatus wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:59 pmI think (sic) because it's a one-size-fits-all solution, which betrays mechanized, socialist principles ;-)
I knew this topic would run the risk of being politicized. I'm going to complain to the mod! :mrgreen:

I'm just full of questions now ... Are evolved idea constructions that tend to increase lifespan within the corporeal construct necessarily beneficial, if it keeps a soul lingering in this 'school' too long, now on average 25 years longer in Canuckistan since the year Steiner checked out (1925) at the age of 64?
On second thought, if one takes multi-incarnational implications into account, what's 25 years more or less?
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Soul_of_Shu wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:07 pm
Soul_of_Shu wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:18 pm
Cleric K wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:55 pm If we're not caught up by the word itself - vaccine - and avoid the unnecessary speculations about covid, these things are serious matter. It's not difficult to imagine someone like Richard Dawkins being a great proponent of 'healing' the spiritual gene right out from the human genome.
It is an intriguing idea, for if corporeal phenomena are how Mind's Ideation manifests to us as none other than Mind focused in the corporeal construct, what does bio-engineered gene mutation and immune system, as opposed to natural, represent?
Another question ... Why wouldn't the manifest idea construction of vaccine-boosted immune systems be an example of evolved Ideation at work, rather than some misconceived creation of bastardized, deprived ideation?

It's all ideational activity, Dana. Think of it as Inception - the idea is implanted deeply within the subconscious (by way of pre-natal genetic alteration) that the soul cannot possibly exist. Right now, it is still obvious to a fair number of people that a soul must exist, especially people who do not consciously hold to materialism. We look around at Nature, and at other people, and we see that the rich qualities of experience cannot possibly be captured by abstract mathematical equations and purely physical structures obeying fixed laws. That is changing right before our eyes, though. Right on this forum, in fact, we see a tendency to become increasingly skeptical of anything that relates to "spirit" or "soul", and to imprison ourselves within mechanistic chains of recursive thought which perceives the world as nebulous, fragmented, and deadened "particles". It is like my reference in the other thread about The Abyss - we would rather blow the Spirit-Soul to smithereens then let it encroach on the 'territory' of our limited ego-consciousness. When it begins to encroach in that manner, we perceive it as a threatening monster and become afraid and hostile towards it. That is precisely because it all remains subconscious for us. Therefore, we ignore Rilke's wisdom:


“Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love.”
― Rainer Maria Rilke, Letters to a Young Poet


We ignore the above and instead our intellectual ego conjures up all sorts of ways to undermine our own confidence in what was patently obvious to our reflective thought and logical reasoning just a few years, months, weeks, days, or minutes ago. As Barfield remarked, "the obvious is the most difficult thing of all to point out to anyone who has genuinely lost sight of it". That is how materialism has progressed and remained vibrant for the last few hundred years, despite all the reasons why we know it is logically incoherent. Eugenics, conducted in this manner by the limited and defensive ego, is nothing new. It really came to the fore in many countries across the West in the 1920s precisely when Steiner was writing about these things. There is no good reason to assume anything has changed in terms of unconscious or semi-conscious motivations, only in terms of the technology which allows them to be manifested in the world. The 'cure' is simple (not easy), though - just keep Thinking and shedding more Light on the subconscious, without unwarranted prejudice or cynicism towards all those who speak of the "soul".
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Cleric K wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:09 pmLooking into the future doesn't present the seer with some finished and detailed picture.
As I said to Ashvin in a PM, I don't really care if Steiner, or BK, or Jung, or Cleric, et al, are definitively right about everything, nor do I expect these insights and visions to be exempt from being provisional, I'm just interested in how it can be revisioned in the light of ever-evolving ideation.
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AshvinP wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:35 pm It's all ideational activity ...
Under idealism, what else? I suppose, as a wise guy once said, 'By their fruits you shall know them', applies
to idea constructions as well as us ideators. ;)
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Soul_of_Shu wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:54 pm
AshvinP wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:35 pm It's all ideational activity ...
Under idealism, what else? I suppose, as a wise guy once said, 'By their fruits you shall know them', applies
to idea constructions as well as us ideators. ;)

Exactly. It seems Cleric responded while I was also writing my response, so go with his to the extent anything conflicts (but I don't think it does). Our experience (including thoughts) is manifested through the ideational activity of many other beings, and as Cleric has said, not all of them are acting in the interest of the Whole organism, as we ourselves often do not. In fact, we have a hard enough time acting in the interests of our own localized bodily organism, let alone the "human" species body, the Earth body, or the Cosmic body. These beings have their own interests as well. What we call "genes" are aspects of their living activity expressed through our experience, but I can't claim to know exactly what the relations are.
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not surprised
Investigation: Scientology-Linked Lawyers Spread Lies About Vaccines And GMOs, Attack Scientists

Essentially, there is not much difference between Scientology and Anthroposophy in their methodology
WHAT IS SCIENTOLOGY?
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Eugene I wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:44 pm not surprised
Investigation: Scientology-Linked Lawyers Spread Lies About Vaccines And GMOs, Attack Scientists

Essentially, there is not much difference between Scientology and Anthroposophy
WHAT IS SCIENTOLOGY?

Speaking of "mechanistic chains of recursive thought which perceive the world as nebulous, fragmented, and deadened particles", it looks like the Terminator has come back to kill John Conner with unimaginative website links before he can be born. :) It's one thing to put no effort into informing yourself about Anthroposophy, but can't you at least put some effort into your "critiques" of it? Even your "Schrodinger equation" fixation was more original and less mechanized than the above.
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Soul_of_Shu wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:07 pm Another question ... Why wouldn't the manifest idea construction of vaccine-boosted immune systems be an example of evolved Ideation at work, rather than some misconceived creation of bastardized, deprived ideation?
Medicines (including vaccines) will be around for quite some time. Things become intelligible when we see evolution in the right light. If we see it in Tom Campbell's way, as increase in complexity, not only vaccines but also robotic prosthetics, implants and the likes can be seen as evolved ideation. I'm sorry for the indecent example, but in this sense evolved ideation can be seen as an ingenious way (vaccine, nanotechnology, whatever) to be immune to all STDs so that we can get down with as many people we want without any worry. And certainly this is a kind of creativity. So is the invention of the nuclear bomb. To speak about these things we must realize why diseases exist in the first place.
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Seems in this tempestuous time of phase transition it's all going be put to the acid test now. If this lifespan should be extended another 25 years, I can surely participate in its unfolding with a heart free of loathing and fear.
Here out of instinct or grace we seek
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