Soul_of_Shu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 9:54 pmYes ... Eugene actually took it upon himself to message Bernardo with a rant about a cult of Anthroposophy, headed by members of the official Society by that name, prompting BK to email me to get my take in the situation. I've since replied to BK and made clear that I suggest he disregard the rant as being utterly misleading. However, I agreed that for other reasons it is best that he remove the active link from his blog, so as to not give the impression that the forum is a place that new members are likely to be able to engage with him, or that it is a place predominantly focused specifically on his ideas, as opposed to also finding critiques of his ideas. Suffice to say, that anyone who is truly bothered by the way the forum has evolved since BK first conceived it almost 10 years ago, or the way that it is being moderated, then they are free to not participate, or start another forum, as one member did on Reddit.Justathought wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 9:31 pm I presume he's talking about this forum...
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It's disappointingly ironic that BK had to ask you what was happening on the forum, i.e. not only was he not reading anyone's comments this entire time, but he refused to do so even after Eugene spread his egoistic falsehoods to BK in the private message. It goes to show how right you were, Dana, when saying BK checked out of his own forum long before this new one was created. I know everyone is busy with their careers and personal lives, but when your career is philosophy mostly carried out on the internet, you would think there would be more interest in the forum with your name where everyone is coming for years to complement, comment, or critique as the case may be. If he had decided to read over the comments, then he would have known Eugene is spreading falsehoods without asking you.
I would actually hazard a guess that not a single detailed spiritual claim of Steiner's Anthroposophy has ever been shared here, unless someone else first specifically asked about those details. As Cleric remarked many times, doing so would defeat the entire purpose of what we are writing here, which is to stimulate people towards rigorous spiritual thought so they can reach their own conclusions in freedom. My mythology essays contained vague references to Christian spiritual tradition in general, but obviously that is necessary when examining the evolution of philosophy and mythology over the epochs, and is what BK himself has done in MTA. It's quite fantastic how Eugene's path here was a never-ending series of projections - he ruled out the possibility of non-abstract representational Thinking, and then says Thinking about the spiritual cannot go beyond mere fantasy. He first brought up Steiner and Anthrosophy in just about every post before Cleric or myself did, and then complains to BK that people are talking about Steiner too much.
And all of that occurred without him ever having read Steiner's PoF (which contains no specific spiritual claims)! The silver lining is that genuinely curious minds can explore another deeper facet of metaphysical idealism now without Eugene egoistically derailing every thread, at least until he decides to unquit and insert himself again. People can question, challenege, critique, or whatever they choose, and know that a living human being is actually on the other end reading what they write, considering it thoughtfully, and responding. At least that is what I hope for this forum going forward. If not, then I am sure that those people who want to continue discussing thoughtfully will find a way to reach each other and do so in a new location. And thank you for handling all of this so admirably, Dana!
