I wonder how the depth reality you depict here relates to what is discussed in:Cleric K wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 8:56 amJust as Ashvin noted, anyone who dares today to speak of depth of reality will be condemned as a weirdo. This is the reason also why BK prefers to stay on the borderline. This is the reason why most spiritual life today practically serves materialism.
This is very easy to discern. If we look without prejudice we'll see that humans today are still very prone to think of our sensory existence as
1/ the full picture of reality (physicalism)
2/ an aspect of reality but quite independent of the yonder world (superficial spiritualism)
People today feel they exist in a physical sandbox and either believe this is all there is or they simply seek some kind of belief for continued existence after death. We have many kinds of heavens or simply the bliss of pure awareness.
The latter is especially popular today because it is the the most economical upgrade of materialism. It requires almost no beliefs except that it converts the dark non-existence after death which the materialist imagines, to blissful non-personal state. Compared to that, belief in heaven requires more assumptions.
The common line is that the physical sandbox remains unquestioned (irrelevant if self-existing or created by some god). It is believed to be a rigid reality pre-made and we are here only to experience it in one way or another. This has the consequence that we feel ourselves to be complete beings, except that we're placed in a material environment. Religious persons simply imagine that their soul-atom will be transported to another place after death.
One becomes a weirdo as soon as they says that sensory life is only a spectral band of reality and through our thoughts, feelings and will (T,F,W) we participate in the full spectrum, except that currently our culture flattens this full spectrum on the plane of sensory perceptions. Our TFW are glued to sensory perceptions. The religiously inclined would much prefer to hold sensory-like fantasies about a spiritual world rather than realize that we are already a slice of the full spectrum. Here's a summary:
The left image depicts the general situation today. We feel we deal with a physical world (the purple curvy line) which is experienced in the soul/consciousness (green sphere). For the materialist this is all there is to reality. For the spiritual ones there's a veil which separates us from the full reality. What is above the veil is a matter of belief. For some there's the Kingdom of Heaven, for others it is simply the pure awareness, etc.
The right image depicts what we should reckon if we're truly to follow our non-dual intuitions to their conclusions. There are no separate worlds. Our soul is a slice of the Cosmos (green cone). We already live in a spiritual world, yet all our soul life is flattened on the sensory screen. From this perspective the veil is really a pseudo veil. It is only our dependence on the sensory screen to which we anchor all our thoughts, feelings and will. It's like we're moving in the sea but insist that our thinking, feeling and willing feet are firmly on the sea floor - in other words, we refuse to learn to swim, to find that we can have our firm support in our spiritual activity, detached from the screen.
The greatest trouble with this view is that our soul life is not enclosed atomic bubble but a slice of the World organism. In this view, the reason astrology has something to say about soul life is not because our soul sphere interacts with planetary spheres through some mystical exchange of spiritual photons but simply because the depth layers of our being are the very same spiritual beings of the planetary spheres. The physical perceptions of cosmic bodies in space are only the decohered symbolic shadow of our shared Cosmic subconscious.
So there you have it. If you want to be called a weirdo yourself, simply tell someone that there's no veil between worlds but that your own soul space is also an aperture of Cosmic spiritual space and for this reason, through investigation of the layers of your higher being (the one not glued to the sensory screen), you also learn about the World Being. I guarantee that you'll be receive your negative connotation in no time.
In short, Westcott Louden here and elsewhere argues that the structure of DMT experiences mirrors that of the 4-fold state - waking, dreaming, deep sleep void, formless awareness - described in the Mandukya Upanishad. He also draws parallels to NDEs. Of particular interest is how do the dream state entities marry with SS.
For the average DMT tripper, most of the phenomena is rather chaotic and outside one's control. I imagine that you would argue that all of this can be brought under control, integrated with our thinking process, and become an "own reality" rather than "detached" on the screen of perception.