Rupert Spira & Bernardo Kastrup in Conversation

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Eugene I. wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 2:27 pm
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Thanks Eugene. Hope you are doing well.

I found a recent AMA with BK where he is asked what religion he prefers. He said that when he is in his strength (rational, intelectual) he prefers the Indian (meditative and Eastern) approaches and that when he is in his vulnerability (nonrational, feeling) he prefers Christianity (devotional and Western) based not any analysis but simply by virtue of the civilization into which he was born.
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Lou Gold wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 6:13 pm Thanks Eugene. Hope you are doing well.

I found a recent AMA with BK where he is asked what religion he prefers. He said that when he is in his strength (rational, intelectual) he prefers the Indian (meditative and Eastern) approaches and that when he is in his vulnerability (nonrational, feeling) he prefers Christianity (devotional and Western) based not any analysis but simply by virtue of the civilization into which he was born.
Interesting, usually people say it the other way around - rational Western vs beyond-rational Eastern. But I think, to be fair, both groups of traditions have both rational and non-rational aspects. IMO, different traditions present different perspectives on the same reality complementing each other, each having unique insights, paths and approaches.
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Eugene I. wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:25 pm
Lou Gold wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 6:13 pm Thanks Eugene. Hope you are doing well.

I found a recent AMA with BK where he is asked what religion he prefers. He said that when he is in his strength (rational, intelectual) he prefers the Indian (meditative and Eastern) approaches and that when he is in his vulnerability (nonrational, feeling) he prefers Christianity (devotional and Western) based not any analysis but simply by virtue of the civilization into which he was born.
Interesting, usually people say it the other way around - rational Western vs beyond-rational Eastern. But I think, to be fair, both groups of traditions have both rational and non-rational aspects. IMO, different traditions present different perspectives on the same reality complementing each other, each having unique insights, paths and approaches.
I agree. Bhakti is surely devotional. I believe his sense of Indian (Hindu and Buddhist strains) comes primarily via his association with the non-dualism of Spira. I believe the point he was making is that Christianity is carried as familiar by his inner child, which comes to forefront during his vulnerability. The point not being an analytic quest for fundamental truth but a personal need for comfort and hope.
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Lou Gold wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 9:01 pm The point not being an analytic quest for fundamental truth but a personal need for comfort and hope.
True that Christian tradition is more personal while Eastern ones are more transpersonal. But in many flavors of Eastern tradition the quest for truth is non-analytic or at least minimally-analytic, the best example is Zen.
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Eugene I. wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 2:17 am
Lou Gold wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 9:01 pm The point not being an analytic quest for fundamental truth but a personal need for comfort and hope.
True that Christian tradition is more personal while Eastern ones are more transpersonal. But in many flavors of Eastern tradition the quest for truth is non-analytic or at least minimally-analytic, the best example is Zen.
Yes, I understand.

One of the things that I appreciate about BK's looser more personal style in some of these recent Youtubes is that they reveal the tensions and paradoxes he has yet to resolve. After living in Brazil for 15 years I'm very 'attuned' to the conflict between his inner mother-and-Rio-de-Janeiro childhood and his inner father-and-Netherlands adulthood. I think that one of the things making him popular nowadays is that this tension is felt in much of modernity.
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