Soul_of_Shu wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 12:28 pmThanks for the link to this discussion, one which I've long lobbied for in Pageau's youtube comments sections, which is surely pertinent to the original post, and which is the kind of dialogos with BK I crave, drawing him out of his strictly analytical approach, into what can be likened to 'intuitive thinking as a spiritual path'. The delving into their respective takes on angels and daemons, finding much common ground, as well as so much more insight, is surely worth a listen. Indeed, one wonders if the BK Daemon has not co-opted Pageau's in order to re-exert its influenceAshvinP wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 9:07 pm
There is a recent interview between BK and Pageau (Orthodox Christian) as well -
I haven't watched it yet, and not sure if I will. What you relayed from BK sums up "why AI is flawed". If I hadn't known, I would have guessed that was asked of and answered by an a-gnostic materialist philosopher.
As much as I like Pageau, we shouldn't confuse his approach for the spiritual path of intuitive thinking. The latter simply isn't satisfied with a "symbolic world", but wants to actively touch the contours of what is being symbolized, in full consciousness. In other words, it wants to awaken to what it is actually doing when symbolizing the world. Such an awakened thinking knows no limits to its reach, set by God or otherwise, since it is no longer thinking about the Divine, but experiencing how the Divine thinks its existence. It isn't trying to interpret the symbols, but experience how the symbols come into existence through its own activity.
Based on what I hear from Pageau, it seems he would consider such an intuitive thinking impossible. That may be fine for him, as it is for BK as well. Yet we, here and now, can bring their spiritual models to a higher completion. The conceptual reasoning they engage, about angels and daemons or otherwise, is a necessary condition for intuitive thinking. It is a seed which must be planted within the human psyche for the latter to grow as fruit. For that to happen, it needs to be cared for and nourished in a living way. Where thinkers like them are ending can become the beginning for those of us who want to tread the spiritual path of inutitive thinking.