Soul_of_Shu wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:19 pm
AshvinP wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:09 pm
It's quite simple - I'm asking if your Daemon has inspired any spiritual knowledge which can be shared with others, rather than hoarded to oneself. Does it even motivate you to share such knowledge? Of course this knowledge can't be captured by 'transcribed words', but you can't even make an effort to give us rough outlines of what awaits us across the threshold of deep sleep and death? Cleric writes such things daily, you can't offer it even once? What sort of spiritual beings will we meet, how do we perceive them, how do they communicate with us, what deeds during life do we carry with us into the period between death and rebirth, etc. What about our subtle bodies - do these exist, how are they perceived, what other living beings do we share them with?
These and many similar questions should at least have been given in vague outlines from any truly Sun-inspired source. I'm not asking for detailed instructions, just anything you can offer the world so that others can also potentially share in that Loving presence and hear that Voice. True, these are mostly rhetorical, because I already know there will be no answer forthcoming. The self-awakened mystical path lives for itself alone. It imagines an individual can join the Pure Consciousness or Godhead after death while everyone else slowly grinds away at spiritual evolution for aeons. It feels no impulse to sacrifice and raise up others along with it, to leave no creatures behind. It says, "I must have already made my sacrifices in past lifetimes, so I'm good, thanks!" It feels collective, shared inner experience on the Earthy plane counts for nothing. In short, it is mysticized materialism which has somehow managed to become even more egoistic and nihilistic.
Sure I could come up with some version of what Cleric is offering here, but quite honestly he has a facility for such deconstruction that I can't really improve upon. The 'Voice' compels this psyche to create poetry, I suppose because that is the facility that for whatever reason I'm most gifted with, and which fills the role of speaking to those who feel more affinity for the poetic rather than the noetic. Most of the information that I might try to convey comes in the nightly dreamtime, and even when I've been inclined to try to convey it in word form, as I've tried to do upon occasion, it just doesn't come out in any way I feel satisfied with, and so I don't suppose that it would satisfy anyone else. Somehow it always seems to revert to being more of a forced prose-like tone poem than the tome I might have intended. So while the predisposed poetic offerings might not live up to your expectations of what 'spiritual knowledge' must appear as, I feel no need to live up to those expectations, and can only wonder why you would take my espousing of 'spiritual knowledge' as gospel, anymore than you might take the information in the recent Gigi Young video I shared as gospel, unless it somehow resonates and fits with your own interpretive take on the imaginal.
Anyway, with the usual synchronicity, I will still offer the latest from Mark Vernon here, which again feels quite pertinent to the recent turn this discussion has taken ...
It's not about what spiritual reality is or isn't. Despite my rhetorical questions, Cleric doesn't get much into details like those. As he said, every person must pursue the higher worlds in complete freedom, which means those details don't really need to be described here. People who walk the path of the Spirit will find them in their own way, and people who don't, won't. In this way, I am all for the idea that Divine knowlede is reaveled to each who is
actively seeking in their proper season. But people cannot make a free decision to seek or not seek without knowledge - first and foremost, knowledge that there is a decision to be made. So it really comes down to what we are willing to admit to ourselves.
We keep saying this isn't an intellectual theory about the spiritual worlds, but I realize now it's nearly impossible for people to imagine what that means. Especially people who already believe they are on the vanguard of philosophical and spiritual wisdom. No matter how much we say our comments are symbols for a concrete reality to be experienced inwardly, no matter how many metaphors are made, it's like people only hear, "spiritual reality is made of X, Y, Z - once you configure these concepts properly, and have a profound mystical or visionary experience, you will then know the higher worlds." When we say, "no, this isn't the case, here's why...", the person thinks to himself, "oh man, these guys just want me to accept their version of spiritual reality, but I already have my own and it works just fine!" All subsequent clarifications on our part are practically ignored.
So you say, "my inspiration always sounds to me as a prose-like tone poem when I try to verabalize it, [implied] so that's just the way it always is." We point out, this is simply because you have failed to explore any other avenues of communication with the Divine via higher cognition. It is nothing other than the materialist who says, "rocks and plants look mindless, so that must be the way it is." Or the fundamentalist who says, "my mind cannot possibly encompass Divine ideas of the omnipotent God revealed in scripture, so that's just the way it is." But then the Lord only knows what goes through someone's mind when this is pointed out to them - do they pretend like they didn't see the words, do they think "nah, I'm nothing like that", is it felt "these people don't know me... I could never make such a simple mistake in my thinking like these other people"? I don't know, because we never get a response when we ask, "
why are you assuming your current limits are absolute limits of the world, or even of yourself?"
It seems, to me anyway, the only path forward is radical honesty. Let's put the cards on the table. Do you really care if it's possible to commune with higher beings through Imagination, Inspiration, and Intuition as we keep indicating, like we would commune with a couple of friends at the park? Your comments imply that there is no interest or desire to do so, but it would help if you could state this explicitly, even if only to yourself. The irony is, if someone became fully aware of this desire or lack of desire within them, and then decided to accept or overcome it as the case may be, I would go home happy. I would think, "it seems the wise powers have another path for this person, since they have full knowledge of what's at stake but still no desire to pursue the spiritual differently." Then I would stop responding to these comments as well. You could post all the Seth speaks videos without a peep from me.
So, if I could snap my fingers right now and give you clairvoyance and clairaudience, where you understand the inspirations of higher beings crystal clear and could communicate what is necessary to others, would you accept it? Would you accept it knowing that it comes with the responsibility of doing everything in your power to point others towards the path of these higher beings, in full consciousness of who they are and full responsibility of their own duty to pay it forward? That you would have to walk, talk, live, and breathe the thus revealed truth every day for the rest of your life (let's assume that is 50 years for our purposes here)? There is absolutely no shame in admitting such a tasking responsibility is not desired right now. But if we refuse to even be honest with ourselves about this lack of desire, then what's the point? Then we are not making our decisions freely, but under compulsion of our self-imposed ignorance, since we hardly know there is a decision to be made.
Anyone reading this can ask this question of themselves. I don't even expect anyone to share it here. It's enough to ask yourself or the wise powers, pray or meditate on it a bit, see what comes back, and confront it honestly.