Gabor Maté on Jordan Peterson

[Brad Walker]

Soul_of_Shu, I'm in favor of publishing linkable longer works and conversing with short fragments. Much of longer posts are performance or talking past one another.

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[Soul_of_Shu]

Much of longer posts are performance or talking past one another.

Yeah well, in this case the performance has nothing to do with the length of your posts.

[Brad Walker]

I've realized it's more efficient to report character counts only when they exceed 280.

[Brad Walker]

By performance, I mean performing for oneself as much as for others.

[Soul_of_Shu]

By performance, I mean performing for oneself as much as for others.

No worries, I'll still read your posts.

[SanteriSatama]

I would agree with Gabor. What strikes me about Peterson is not what he is saying, but how he is saying it, his psychological and spiritual/energetic state. He speaks about meaning, faith, love and peace, but the spiritual "wavelength" of this message is so toxic, it's full of rage and anger and that is why I just cannot listen to him. But that's only my personal opinion

Well, this sentiment baffles my mind. It cannot be reasonably inferred from any of his full-length lectures or interviews. Even when he started to 'fly off the handle' a bit in those, he quickly regained composure. And that seems to be the consensus by everyone who speaks with him, such as Dr. Gad Saad (who, for my money, is a much more insightful psychologist than Dr. Mate, but that's a separate issue).

"Repressed anger", storing and channeling energy of cold rage (instead of constantly blowing your fuse in 'outrage culture', which is very toxic especially as mass culture) is very deep and interesting dynamic, deep source of creativity. So I don't take Mate's view on JP as negative and hostile, on the contrary this brings to mind this version of the story of two wolves:



JP has been on a fascinating spiritual journey, with wonderful ability to share some fruits of his journey with millions of people in a positive way.

[Soul_of_Shu]

Santeri ... Interesting kind of Jungian take, in that the shadow-side can't be starved, or just ignored out of existence. One may try, but it will be at one's peril, as its expression will not remain repressed, or denied, or masked by medications, and if not encountered and come to terms with, and integrated in a positive way, but left unattended and locked away in the subconscious, then it will uncontrollably lash out in rage, or depression, or angst, whenever finding a chance to break out, as it always eventually will, as either psychosis or corporeal dis-ease.

[Eugene I]

"Repressed anger", storing and channeling energy of cold rage (instead of constantly blowing your fuse in 'outrage culture', which is very toxic especially as mass culture) is very deep and interesting dynamic, deep source of creativity. So I don't take Mate's view on JP as negative and hostile, on the contrary this brings to mind this version of the story of two wolves:

There are still other not so damaging ways (in addition to repressing or "blowing your fuse in 'outrage culture'"), such as is facing, embracing and healing the shadow by finding other ways to release their energies without damaging actions or "blowing our fuses". For example, non-dual practices of releasing and getting insights into the depths of our shadows while maintaining the state of lucid awareness, or letting them to express themselves in art or creativity, or there may be other ways.

[AshvinP]

I would agree with Gabor. What strikes me about Peterson is not what he is saying, but how he is saying it, his psychological and spiritual/energetic state. He speaks about meaning, faith, love and peace, but the spiritual "wavelength" of this message is so toxic, it's full of rage and anger and that is why I just cannot listen to him. But that's only my personal opinion

Well, this sentiment baffles my mind. It cannot be reasonably inferred from any of his full-length lectures or interviews. Even when he started to 'fly off the handle' a bit in those, he quickly regained composure. And that seems to be the consensus by everyone who speaks with him, such as Dr. Gad Saad (who, for my money, is a much more insightful psychologist than Dr. Mate, but that's a separate issue).

"Repressed anger", storing and channeling energy of cold rage (instead of constantly blowing your fuse in 'outrage culture', which is very toxic especially as mass culture) is very deep and interesting dynamic, deep source of creativity. So I don't take Mate's view on JP as negative and hostile, on the contrary this brings to mind this version of the story of two wolves:

Mate clearly meant it as a criticism, even if you don't. Psychological "repression" is not a positive quality, and neither are double-standards, which is what Mate accuses JP of when it comes to ideology. But JP's latest interview with Pageau makes clear both of those criticisms are way off base - he is literally shedding tears while articulating his philosophical concerns, specifically with dogmatic Christianity, and doing a damn good impression of Jesus on the Cross asking, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?".

I really don't get the need for anyone to pretend otherwise, unless it is related to religion or politics.

[Soul_of_Shu]

Grief will make you stronger ...