Stranger wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:01 am As opposed to Cleric, I'm not open to share my spiritual experiences publicly, simply because the realities in the spiritual reams that I am experiencing are so far from human realities that it is impossible to describe them in the human language. One thing I know for sure is that these realities of higher realms are completely at odds with the realities of human domain, and my human nature and experience does not help me anymore with my life and progress in these domains.
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But this quote from Steiner below and his insistence that we should remain tied to the human domain and that any intention to abandon it comes from Lucifer makes me quite suspicious. As we know according to the Gnostic tradition, Christ came to Earth exactly to help people to "abandon the path of earth evolution" and escape from the prison of the Demiurge's domain. Similar views are found in Buddhism and Hinduism where the minimum goal of the practice is to stop reincarnating in human and Brahma's realms. Anyway, I think at this point we should agree to disagree and probably stop as we discussed already all aspects of the topic, and should leave the question for the other members to answer for themselves.
Thats fine, Eugene.
It should be noted that both the canonical Gospels and the Gnostic ones are filled with parables which rely on imagery from the 'human domain' on Earth to communicate supra-sensory realities to our ordinary reasoning. That's because the 'human domain' is what the superimposed supra-sensory planes 'look like' to our ordinary decohered cognition which externalizes those planes into the sensory spectrum. This continuous reality is what makes all metaphors and parables possible.
"His disciples said to him, “When will the kingdom come?”
“It won’t come by looking for it. They won’t say, ‘Look over here!’ or ‘Look over there!’ Rather, the Father’s kingdom is already spread out over the earth, and people don’t see it.” (Gospel of Thomas)
So that is at complete odds with what you write above (not to mention he also references the 'Demiurge'). Instead, what you wrote either signifies experiences of fantastical visions which are projected onto some 'beyond' and cannot be understood, or nothing at all.
As Cleric said, the very first step to higher cognition proper is to discover the inner reality of one's own intellectual voice which speculates on the supra-sensory realities, and you simply haven't taken the time to make that first step yet.