Stranger wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:14 pmEvery engineer, after a career of practice, has right to retire and change their focus of activity to something else. The dualistic realm is infinitely rich, it's an endless fractal of forms, circumstances and possibilities and we can spend eternity developing and studying its structures and labyrinths. But so does the nondual realm! So, at some point the souls who decided to switch to the nondual realm need to stop and retire from being invested in the activities of the dualistic one (including its science).AshvinP wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:49 pm This would be like an aspiring engineer feeling satisfied that he has learned everything there is know about his craft after taking the first class of his first college course. You have also just reasoned out that your current desires and preferences which steer your thinking are still within the lawful context of the nested spaces. Don't you feel some impulse to at least investigate what that context is?
Going back to the "Demiurge conspiracy theory", he wants to keep us to stay involved, to believe we are progressing somewhere, so he constantly invents more and more challenges, attractive or thrilling tasks and issues to keep us interested and hooked to his dualistic labyrinth. "Look, this needs to be investigated, it's crucially important! Hey, there is a war, you need to get involved, take a side! You need to dive deep into spiritual science to progress spiritually!" and so on and so forth. Or, if you don't believe in the Demiurge, just substitute it with the human ego. I guess this tactic has been working well for him, but not for me anymore, thank you As I said, I do not believe in progress in the dualistic domain, it' just going in circles, with periods of seeming improvements followed by periods of degradation, even though the landscape is constantly changing so it looks like the train is going somewhere. That's why it is called "the wheel of samsara" in Buddhism, or Ecclesiastes describes it the best.
I agree that some amount of science is always necessary, both in dualistic and nondual paths. The structures and governing laws of the path need to be understood to know the best way of actions. And I've been always doing that, because serious spiritual work is never apart from enquiring and investigation (that's why I'm on the philosophy forum!).A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; 3A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; 4A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; 5A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; 6A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; 7A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; 8A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace. ... What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.
Ecclesiastes
But I guess we deviated far from the topic of this thread, it's time to wrap up. Thanks for interesting discussion.
Ok, Eugene. I am not sure if Cleric is in process of writing any additional response to your previous comments. I would just briefly note that you have reasoned out various conclusions on this thread, about the archetypal structure of the Cosmos and about yourself, which you are now simply ignoring because of the implications. For instance:
So yes, if he would, in addition to all he already has, add the nondual perspective and practice, and leave the decision for the soul to incarnate or not back into human form freely according to its own discretion, than I would more fully subscribe to it.
You are literally saying here that, if a spiritual thinker aligns more with your personal preferences on what the human soul can do after death, then you will pay more attention to it. Otherwise, not. Of all the cantakerous debates we have had on this forum, I don't think anyone has ever expressed the role of their personal entanglements in the search for Truth this bluntly yet failed to realize what that means. It means you have destined yourself to only pay attention to those approaches which already confirm your current preferences, hence the selection of NDE accounts, hyponosis testimonies, scriptural interpretations, etc. It is a vicious cycle of personal preferences steering you towards only that content which reinforces those preferences, which then coveniently convince you those preferences must be correct. We already know the engineer in you would never stand for this approach to Truth. Maybe you feel too shackled by logic in your scientific life and that's why you compensate in spirtual inquiries by throwing all healthy and systematic reasoning to the wind.