Stranger wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 7:53 pmThat is what I said too, please read carefully:Federica wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:30 pm Well, no This is a way to pull yourself out of the polarities, at least to the extent that you are able to reach and maintain the "non-dual state". Whilst in reality, the true, fully integral non-dual state can only be reached by learning to progressively work through, and not aside of, the polarities. Our communion with Oneness is to be pursued within and not without the polarities. Until the over-spiritualizing impulse is recognized and evolutionarily factored in (together with its opposite) there will remain that sense of incomplete understanding already referred to multiple times in the recent threads. Not that I have direct experience of this, of course. I am merely seeing from afar how it makes more and more sense with every further step. But yes, it's a progressive realization, it takes time and iterations, and we are all embarked on this journey!In other words, until the gate of the realization of Oneness is passed, the polarities drive the "learning to progressively work through, and not aside of, the polarities". Once the realization happens, these polarities are no longer relevant, they are transcended. It means that these polarities are provisional and temporal and not absolute, they should noy be idolized, but it is still useful to study and know them to understand how they shape our evolutionary path.These polarities drive the evolution of souls while they exist in the dualistic state up to the point when they become ready and mature to transcend it and realize themselves as the Cosmic "I".
I assure you I tried to read carefully, multiple times and with focus, but maybe I misunderstood you.
I thought you were drawing a line between dual (common everyday) state and non-dual realization (for example the state that you realize in meditation) saying that once in non-dual state, polarities are transcended. I read: "IMO Ahriman and Lucifer are two "faces" or "personifications" of the same force-being, the force of duality" and felt you were minimizing, or reducing, all evil (Ahriman + Lucifer) to one side, ultimately throwing both in one bag, under the label of duality, and up next to be overcome.
I read: "But notice that they both exist within the framework of the dualistic state of consciousness" and felt a somewhat half-hearted acknowledgement of the usefulness of the polarity, not really conveying the enthusiasm that comes with bringing the part of Lucifer and Ahriman in us more into awareness, with learning more about how they shape our becoming (rather than, as you say, "how they shape our evolutionary path" which to me sounds like 'the path of humanity, not necessarily my path').
Especially the word "framework" is suggesting to me that one is unsheathing the conceptual tool that creates a protection, a separation between us and 'the evil thing', literally a maneuvering space. But surely dealing with these two can't be done by creating a maneuvering space in order to analyze them, or study them, as you say. Instead we have to own them. It's a different feeling, and feelings are important in fostering understanding.
You see, I did my best to read you carefully. Now my lens could still be very wrong. Please let me know if this is the case.