So, in that above example I was talking about the concrete and practical first-person experience of willfully manifesting ideas into perceived forms in LD/OBE and from this practice learning and understanding the mechanism of manifestations of forms by spiritual beings, and then practical learning to participate in the collective spiritual activity of ideational manifestations together with higher-order beings. That is exactly applying the scientific "want to know" mindset through first-person experience in spiritual practices. How is that superficial and analytic-idealist abstract? I don't care about being praised, it's just about your default negative approach of "we do it always right, you do it always wrong" with which it is impossible to establish any constructive dialog.AshvinP wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 1:41 am We don't artificially withhold credit or praise to you, Eugene. We get nothing out of maintaining an argument with you for no legitimate reason. There is plenty else to discuss once certain foundational matters have been settled, as the other threads show. But your comments keep revealing to us that you are thinking through the relation of the spiritual and physical in a very superficial way. The last one above included. Every time we prompt you to elaborate on your understanding, that is only further confirmed. It is the default way of thinking in most analytic idealist circles, but of course you feel that has been overcome.
Also, it turns out that I and Scott were talking about exactly the same experiential knowing of ourselves as "awareness of continuity, (relative) permanence, and repetition in you stream of consciousness", it just that Scott complained that I overemphasize the practical importance of such knowledge and capitalize the words. So, how is that superficial and analytic-idealist abstract?