The problem above has been explained many times but let's try once more.Stranger wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 1:54 am So, in that above example I was talking about the concrete and practical first-person experience of willfully manifesting ideas into perceived forms in LD/OBE and from this practice learning and understanding the mechanism of manifestations of forms by spiritual beings, and then practical learning to participate in the collective spiritual activity of ideational manifestations together with higher-order beings. That is exactly applying the scientific "want to know" mindset through first-person experience in spiritual practices. How is that superficial and analytic-idealist abstract? I don't care about being praised, it's just about your default negative approach of "we do it always right, you do it always wrong" with which it is impossible to establish any constructive dialog.
Even without stating it explicitly, the above already contains quite specific world conception. Practically it conceives reality as imagined. There's the holoflow of spiritual phenomena on one side and on the other is our spiritual activity.
The red is fully valid for our life of (ordinary) imagination. But to go from the red to the blue is not in the least warranted. We simply have no justification to say "I feel my ideal activity to be reflected as imagination, thus this is how reality is created, this is how higher beings also operate."
We know why you choose to draw that conclusion. You have explained it well. In your words, on one hand we have what consciousness is, on the other - what consciousness does. It is assumed that as soon as we go through the experience of transcendental oneness the first question is fully settled. We have solved half of the Cosmic Mystery, we know what reality is, what existence is, what consciousness is and what's left is to endlessly explore what consciousness can do, in other words - how it can impress its ideational activity into imagined phenomena.
As explained countless times, this an elementary error. Remember the following scene of the first Avatar. Toruk is a top predator. He has no natural enemies so he never looks up. That's exploited by Jake to jump on his back and make the Tsaheylu bond:
Movie clip: https://www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkxh9dgBu ... ti2HCxfTbZ
We act like Toruk every time we imagine that we have reached the ultimate foundations of reality. And NO, this is not denial of oneness. This in no way contradicts the fact that we're of one essence with the Divine and all beings. It only brings to attention the simple fact that we blind ourselves for half of reality as soon as we decide that we already know what consciousness is. Instead, we should be open that we haven't even begun to see what consciousness is. This shouldn't cause despair. In fact, it can become our greatest inspiration because there's so much more to learn, so much more to be awestruck by!
When we decide that we already know what consciousness is, we automatically assume that reality consists of a tableau of inner phenomena that spiritual beings manipulate with their activity. We do that simply because this is what we can conceive of at our level of consciousness. For example, we can imagine a wall. We can imagine that we bump into it but also that we evaporate it and pass through it. From that perspective, it is conceived that higher intelligences are basically of the same fundamental nature as us, except that they hold with their imagination a wall that we can't evaporate, our imagination is too week to override the higher.
What is called Maya in this sense refers to the idea that everything is imagined. Reality is really only vaporous imaginative fantasy, existing in the One Cosmic Mind, held by the forces of various beings. In that respect our spirit on Earth is in a situation like Alex from Clockwork Orange:
We're forced to perceive the fantasy of higher beings, which is projected from the same Cosmic subjectivity from which we can also project our imagined pictures, thoughts, memories, but the former are more powerful and we're forced to conform with them.
Is there then any surprise why we see the world as the oppressive work of the Demiurge, who basically sits us in the chair and keeps our eyes wet? We say "Next time I'll choose my fantasies, alright?"
The greatest problem with this whole 'cosmology' is that all manifested reality is in fact unreality. It is only floating images that we're forced to contemplate. I invite everyone to try and delve into this world conception to get a good feeling for it. We should get the unmistakable feeling: "it's all only a floating dream picture. It's real insofar that I'm forced to flow into its channels but other than that it simply an imagined picture in our shared subjectivity."
VR is a fitting metaphor. Reality is here on my side where I know what consciousness is. Reality out there is simply a VR experience. It is arrangement of spiritual pixels in Cosmic subjectivity. This is how I experience it, this is how the Divine experiences it. The difference is only that some beings have greater power over what lesser beings are forced to contemplate, like the software development determines the VR experience.
I hope everyone can appreciate how empowering such a world conception feels and how easily it seems to solve all enigmas. It is completely natural that we should have no interest in the world. The structure of our body, our organs, brain, nature, planets and stars - all of this is simply the fantasy that we're forced to contemplate. It can be examined, it can be studied but in the end it serves no greater purpose because true development is seen simply as the ability to escape the clutches of the intelligences that force us to contemplate their fantasy. If we escape the image of the body as they fantasize it, we can fantasize any body we want.
Once again, all this is not said simply because we like to play opposition and deny oneness. All of this speaks of something concrete - the Toruk fallacy which without realizing it makes us feel that the nature of Cosmic Consciousness is a solved puzzle and all Divine rays simply fantasize images in the shared Divine subjectivity - some with greater power, some with lesser. This is a very convenient polarity. It is perfectly palpable for the intellect (because we all understand what fantasy is). Yet it will remain Maya. It remains Maya because we're the one who perpetuates it by imagining that higher intelligences create the world similarly to the way we imagine an apple.
Now we can of course go into much greater details about the actual nature of the higher beings and world creation but this would be all in vain if we don't even allow ourselves to question whether we might be missing something and that there might be a long way of discovery before us about what consciousness is.