Stranger wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 7:28 pm
AshvinP wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2023 7:18 pm
That's fine, we don't need to call it "thinking", "ideation", or "idea". These are just labels we use to triangulate a shared understanding of the underlying first-person experiential reality.
The main point is that the first-person state can be experientially expanded to become more holistic in an intelligible way, so that new more encompassing states elucidate the nature of previous less-encompassing states. Do you agree?
Yes, I do agree with the bold. But I would not subscribe to labeling it as "Idea" since such labeling overlooks other aspects of the reality of direct experience not reducible to ideation only. I prefer to label it in a more inclusive way, for example, "reality of direct conscious experience".
Ok, that label is fine as well. So the next step is to move towards concrete examples of the experiential expansion within the 'reality of direct conscious experience'. Because, exactly as you say, we don't want to remain in the realm of abstractly modeling this reality by adding more and more labels, or rearranging labels to find the best, most inclusive way to express the reality. Instead, once we get a basic foothold, we want to make clear this experiential expansion is a reality that can and has been pursued, with concrete practical implications for our lives and World Evolution. For this, we need to move beyond the mere abstract labels and consider concrete examples.
Here is one such example. It doesn't matter if we ourselves can experientially verify this example yet. That becomes an important question later. For our purposes now, I just want to see whether it sounds like the sort of thing that
can be experientially pursued during life on Earth without straying into error, illusion, or lunacy? If not, then I would like to know the
concrete reasons why you feel the latter is always the case whenever it comes to the results communicated through spiritual science? Remember, this is not about "thinking", "ideation", etc., only expanding experiential awareness within the reality of direct conscious experience.
At any point in time, two streams flow together to form your life. One stream flows from the future toward the present and the other from the present toward the future, and an interface occurs wherever they meet. Anything that still remains for us to experience in our life appears in the form of astral phenomena, which make a tremendous impression on us.
Imagine that students of esotericism reach the point in their development when they are meant to see into the astral world. Their senses are opened, and they perceive all their future experiences until the end of this time period as outer phenomena surrounding them in the astral world. This sight makes a great impression on each student. An important level in esoteric schooling is reached when students experience an astral panorama of everything they have yet to encounter up to the middle of the sixth root race... The way is opened to them. Without exception, students of esotericism experience all the remaining outer phenomena they will encounter from the near future to the sixth root race.