Essay: Spiritual Retracing - Principle Overview (Part I)

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Essay: Spiritual Retracing - Principle Overview (Part I)

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I have been working on an essay which will be broken into a few sections. It is still a work in progress, but the first section is mostly complete and I will post the first part here. The first section is mostly an overview of the principled foundation for the intuitive thinking path, a broad survey of why it is so important in our time and what it may entail. The essay draws on many familiar metaphors offered by Cleric over time, but hopefully, it is a somewhat unique angle and has a few new examples or illustrations of the inner phenomenological exploration. It should help reinforce the intuitive orientation to that inner landscape and serve as more preparation for Cleric's upcoming essays. Any feedback is welcome!

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The human biography in modern civilization undergoes characteristic phases of development. When we are born, the unexplored space of natural and cultural potential remains relatively expansive and there are many paths of experience that can be traversed. The physiological systems of the young child unfold along a well-defined human path, yet within that space there are quite a few different ways in which the inner being may ultimately come to outer expression in the child's height, weight, stature, gait, countenance, and so forth. There is even more leeway when it comes to the soul configuration, such as its temperament and character, more still in the educational and career paths the spirit may traverse, and the most in the beliefs it may adopt. The World begins as its oyster, as the saying goes.

By the late thirties or early forties, however, all of these domains of potential have contracted and become more or less set in stone. For example, the lens of the eye becomes less flexible and may necessitate the use of reading glasses. The audible range of hearing will have decreased substantially by this age. One’s circle of friends will generally remain constant or dwindle as time goes by, and most people over 40 who have become unemployed can attest that it is not easy to find gainful employment in a specialized field after this age. The soul will be significantly invested in its philosophical or religious framework by this time. The whole circumference of physical, cultural, social, and mental opportunities collapses quickly around the mature adult as what was once potential has been already actualized or, alternatively, the window of actualization has been missed.


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A metaphor for this narrowing of potential is solving a crossword puzzle. At the outset, there are many possible ways to fill the empty boxes with letters such that they contain coherent words. As soon as we read the first hint across or down and fill in a word, however, the space of potential in that part of the puzzle is significantly narrowed and now only those words which share letters with the first word are possibilities. This narrowing continues at an exponential trajectory for each new hint that is solved. Let’s say each empty box represents a state of being that encompasses all sensations, thoughts, feelings, and willful intents. With each new word that is etched into the puzzle, corresponding to physical, soul, and ideal qualities, the palette of new states to which our current state can transform is narrowed down exponentially. By the middle of life, there are only a few boxes left and we may even be able to routinely fill them in without any hints.

A spirit that has etched a melancholic temperament to a high degree in its childhood and adolescence, for example, will generally be unable to transform to those emotional states that are lively, energetic, highly comfortable with its environment, and such. Likewise, a spirit that has etched a materialistic world outlook will find it difficult to transform to mental states that explore supersensible realities, i.e. the manifold relations of the inner life. These are not rigid rules and there is always some degree of flexibility, but with these examples we are simply elucidating the underlying principle. As soon as we gain some sense of independent agency in childhood, we begin seeking ways to creatively transform our current state of being – embedding sensory, emotional, and mental qualities – to new states. This creative activity meets resistance in the instinctively etched pathways of the bodily, psychic, and mental life, such that the palette of states for transformation is narrowed down.

Certain technical and artistic skills that are developed in later life can open additional leeway for the spirit to transform into new states, yet there are also diminishing returns on such skills in the age of 21st-century technology. It is becoming evident that ‘intelligent’ machines can help the average non-skilled person explore these states just as easily. Moreover, the states themselves are simply reshufflings of those that have already been manifested in prior years and decades. Few of us go on YouTube or Netflix, or anticipate the new iPhone, expecting to be surprised by the content or design anymore. It is becoming clear, therefore, that the spirit is quickly running out of ‘real estate’ where it can transform its activity, for both individuals and collectives.

Another metaphorical illustration of this narrowing down of potential is John Wheeler's famous variant of the 20 questions game, which he called 'negative 20 questions':

In the normal version, someone leaves the room briefly while the remaining folks agree to choose a particular object that’s in the room. The returning person gets twenty questions to guess the agreed-upon object, with “Is it bigger than a breadbox?” being the classic opening gambit.

In Negative Twenty Questions, however, all the remaining folks privately pick their own objects, though the person returning doesn’t know this. In fact, as Murch observes, “Nobody knows what anyone else is thinking. The game proceeds regardless, which is where the fun begins.”

When returning Joe (let’s call him) asks the standard bigger-than-a-breadbox question, if the first person says No, then the other players, who may have selected objects that are bigger, now have to look around the room for something that fits the definition. And if “Is it Hollow?” is Joe’s next question, then any of the players who chose new and unfortunately solid objects now have to search around for a new appropriate object. As Murch says, “a complex vortex of decision making is set up, a logical but unpredictable chain of ifs and thens.” Yet somehow this steady improvisation finally leads—though not always, there’s the tension—to a final answer everyone can agree with, despite the odds.

Here is also a brief video illustration:




It is in this sense that every natural quality, psychic tendency, and mental outlook developed during the first half of life narrows down the space of potential 'answers' to the question of an individual's life destiny. It is typically around the early forties that the mature adult faces a crisis of limitations. The individual now feels like the expansive space of potential has been narrowed down around it and there is very little room to let the soul breathe and grow anymore, for the soul to be revitalized by new paths and possibilities of experience. The soul has seemingly reached a 'final answer' to the question of its destiny. Yet this crisis would not be nearly as disheartening, and it would even become inspiring, if the contracting of the old spaces was met by the expanding of new ones, spaces of inner potential with corresponding inner experiences that are waiting to be explored. When one door closes, another door opens.


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The natural-spiritual evolutionary process is such that the contracting space of natural potential (left) should transition into the expanding space of spiritual potential (right). The archetype of the ‘old wise man’ speaks to this process that was more akin to a natural law in ancient times. At a certain stage of life, the mature adults simply began growing in spiritual wisdom such that other members of the community could have complete confidence in their guidance. In more technical language, we could say that, after the spirit instinctively impresses its qualities into the outer forms of the physical, psychic, and mental landscapes, the latter draws on those forms to recover their inner significance, beginning with mental forms. It is as if we are undressing layers of clothing from our spirit – we can’t take off our shirt before we take off our coat.

The ‘LIFO’ principle of computer programming is also a helpful symbol for this process by which the latest etched forms that were instinctively ‘pushed’ into our organization are the first ones to be ‘popped’ back out through inner work.


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In the last few thousand years, this process has been exemplified not so much in the growth of tribal spiritual wisdom, but in the learning of new artistic or innovative skills or the exploration of existential questions through philosophy, theology, and science. In modern times, however, the average adult life has increasingly reached a stage where the pushing process exhausts its potential and then very little seems to happen, no popping process seems to follow. In the late Middle Ages, for example, it seemed art, philosophy, and science could only become more innovative, reaching groundbreaking insights. One can hardly downplay the significance of such thinkers as Newton, Galileo, Bacon, Rosseau, Leibniz, Kant, and Hegel, among many others. Yet now we understandably expect very little of existential relevance to come from these fields.

That is because humanity has now been thrown back on its own resources in the mental space to the greatest possible extent, and it has been tasked with doing for itself what was once done for it as a part of natural development. It was only in this way that it could reach the grounds of inner freedom. The inspirations that previously flowed into consciousness as a matter of course must now be actively sought after, in accordance with each individual’s freely chosen ideals, but the motivation to do so is waning in our indolent times. It is no longer suspected that the spirit can actively draw forth the potential of the formed World from within itself, especially because the environment is so structured to incentivize it to rest comfortably at whatever stage it has reached, remaining dependent on external political, scientific, religious, and economic authorities. An ignorant and helpless consumptive spirit is good for profit!

How can the spirit open new spaces of potential despite all the environmental hindrances in these circumstances? In the context of the negative 20 questions metaphor, it would be as if the new game retraced the 'complex vortex' of reasoning, emotions, and motivations that led the participants into the original game and toward a final answer. Retracing the outer developmental process is, in short, recovering its intended function or meaning. What does it mean that the sensory world builds up the body and soul and orients the spirit to the physical flow of existence? Why does the rich heritage of culture orient the spirit to the moral fabric of society? What inner functions do these spaces of experience serve? We are not seeking abstract theoretical speculations about the ‘what’ and ‘why’, but answers that naturally arise from the flow of inner experience itself. The very exploration of the questions should naturally unite with the answers to those same questions.

Eventually one can start to sense that the whole first half of the journey was preparation for the next half. That, in some mysterious way, the resolution of our life story had been attracting the arc of its development all along, just as the author of a mystery novel must start with the resolution and gradually develop the characters, dialogue, plot twists, etc. into a certain holistic configuration that approaches the intended ending. As another metaphor, we could say the resolution served as a magnetic field through which the ‘iron filings’ of our life story were organized in discernible patterns. That doesn’t mean everything was predetermined from the outset, only that the probabilities were ‘skewed’ such that certain paths of experience became much more likely than others. If our core spiritual agency is analogized to the magnetic field, the iron filings are all those events in which our spirit found its reflection and grew conscious of its outer and inner landscape.

Every sensation in the life story was a tiny impact by which spiritual activity became a bit more conscious of itself, just as a verb is anchored by its nouns. Try to imagine the meaning of ‘falling’ in the absence of any object. This will be experienced as very difficult, as if we are lost in a forest, trying to find due north, but our compass needle keeps swinging back and forth. When we imagine a definite object falling, let’s say an apple, however, the meaning of the verb is anchored for us – we gain a stable orientation within the flow of activity. In this way, the spirit began by anchoring the meaning of its existence through the impacts of tactile sensations, a sense of balance, smells, tastes, sounds, colors, a feeling for illness and health, warmth and coldness, and so forth.

Imagine that somehow you have never seen or felt your hand and it is invisibly dangling in the air above a bucket of warm water. By an instinctive act of will, the hand plunges into the water, meets the resistance of the water and, for the first time, begins to know its shape and dimensions through the sensations of pressure and warmth on all sides. A dim and nebulous sense of consciousness sparks from within. Through these impacts, spiritual activity ‘erodes’ a ‘channel’ of experience through which it can flow, like water erodes grooves and channels in a canyon. The nature of this sensory channel is such that it sucks the spirit’s imaginative activity by its ‘gravity’, educating its flow as to what is possible and not possible, what is healthy and unhealthy.

For example, at any time I can imagine my physical body jumping up, rotating 180 degrees, and doing a back flip, but my instinctive education through the sensory channel helps me realize this imagination should not be condensed through the bodily will or the results may be disastrous for my health. We can say that all possible imaginative states are being experienced at any given time, but the sensory channel continually sucks them into certain rigid slots which filter out those which are incompatible with our daily physical or intellectual existence, while only the remaining states are experienced consciously and remain in our ‘palette’ of options to manifest objectively. The rest remain unconscious and occasionally precipitate into our life of dreams and fantasy.

Likewise, the impacts of parents, teachers, peers, and public figures etched new channels of flow into the canyon. These impacts educate the spirit’s orientation, ideally, so that it becomes an emotionally well-balanced social agency, interacting with others in a tempered and upright way, learning to work toward common goals. Notice how something gained in the previous stage must be renounced or sacrificed for the spirit to flow into new channels. The spirit must resist the flow of the sensory channel, where seeking pleasure and avoiding pain is the modus operandi, in order to gain emotional sensitivity to the soul life of other beings, to empathize with what gives them pleasure and what causes them pain. The impetuous child of will must learn to sit still and listen attentively at home and in school. Even if this sacrifice is mostly imposed from the outside in childhood, it is always necessary that something old die away such that something new can be born.

The various philosophical ideas, world outlooks, and ideals the spirit encountered also impacted its flow to give it a stable ethical orientation and hopefully motivated it to distribute the fruits of its activity back to the community in some way, through philanthropy, teaching, artistic creation, innovation, etc. This channel directs the spirit’s activity such that it not only flows through the etched pathways of the canyon into the ocean, but also sacrificially flows back into the canyon to carry its sediments further. Here again, emotional sensitivities must be resisted and renounced to a certain extent such that the life of ideals can blossom. Our reasoned ideals hardly care about our personal sensations or feelings at any given time, but rather motivate us towards various aims despite those feelings. Our conceptual life puts aside what we express to also understand what others have to express. This fact also hints at what is necessary for the spirit to begin retracing the previous spaces.

Consider what we do when we read these words to mine their meaning. If we were to focus on the black squiggly shapes, or on sounding out each letter individually with our inner voice, we would never attain the holistic meaning they convey. Instead, we have to ‘erase’ the mere perceptual characteristics from our attention, the particular shapes and sounds, so that we can see and hear through them to the holistic meaning of the words and sentences. In a similar way, when we begin retracing the mental space, we have to renounce the meaningful content of thought-perceptions such that we become sensitive to the inner thinking gestures we are always making in the act of conceiving (an exception to this is when the thought content itself points back to the conceptual activity, i.e. phenomenology). In other words, we renounce what we think about reality or what reality means to us and experience what we mean to reality, how the latter thinks us. We see through our conceptual life to the deeper gestures by which it is birthed into existence. We will return to this topic in subsequent parts of the essay when we delve more deeply into the phenomenology of the retracing process.

What was expressed above is all assuming optimal circumstances, of course, and we know there is great variation in the course of any particular life, so these are not ‘black letter’ laws of development. Generally speaking, the spirit gradually learns to adjust the rhythms of its activity in relation to its living and sentient environment through all of this sensory, emotional, and ideal feedback. This same process of the spirit growing more and more self-conscious can also be discerned in the civilizational stages of humanity’s biography as a whole. We won’t discuss the details of the latter here, only point to a chart derived from Oswald Spengler’s research in ‘The Decline of the West’. The reader can contemplate this chart and discern how the developmental phases of an individual biography also correspond with the life cycle of various civilizations which comprise the phases of the collective human biography.


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After the preparatory phases or ‘seasons’ are complete, for both individual biographies and human history as a whole, the spirit arrives at the stage where it can dispense with the training wheels and balance itself within the stream of meaningful life. It can lift its feet off the seafloor and start to swim of its own accord. The spirit begins to establish its meaningful orientation to existence more directly and independently of the conceptual, emotional, and sensory crutches. We can consider what we are doing now – the principled overview and phenomenological considerations to follow - to be an introductory phase of this new independent existence. It is not something we draw from the necessities of nature, religious traditions, or past thinkers, nor is it a set of intellectual facts that we memorize. If we follow the considerations carefully, exercising our imagination along the way in good faith, we should concretely sense that our spiritual activity is flexing its muscles, testing its limits, and traversing novel mental pathways of experience.

This newly expanding intuitive space can then be discovered as the ideal basis of the former physical, emotional, and mental spaces that were instinctively traversed during childhood, adolescence, and early adulthood, or the spring, summer, and autumn of Earthly existence. What is the inner basis of the history, psychology, biology, and physics that we learned in school? What inner gestures weave beneath the meaningful color and sound qualities perceived through the eyes and ears which are now growing weaker by the day?

Through nature and nurture, we are educated from the 'outside' by the ideas embodied in sensory impressions and cultural institutions - we are provided a certain meaningful orientation and sense of understanding within the flow of life events. We learn to control our physical movements, engage in social relationships, and exercise our faculty of judgment in relation to various intellectual subjects. In many ways, during the first period of life we learn through imitation of our environment, particularly other human beings. It is quite obvious that children are highly imitative, yet even as adults, we can observe how reluctant people are to think, say, or do anything that makes them stand out from the ‘herd’. We are conditioned by the fear that if we were to do so, to stand out as free-thinking individuals, we would be picked off by a predator just as the lion picks off the zebra that has strayed too far from its zeal.

By retracing the inner dimensions of culture and nature, we provide ourselves with a self-education that deepens and enriches the meaningful orientation within the experiential flow. We are no longer hopelessly dependent on external natural forces and cultural authorities that we simply imitate but draw this new education from our innermost intuitive core. The individual dies to old conditioning in the winter of its natural life and is born again in the spring of its spiritual life. It is freed from sensory limitations and can move its intuitive activity through a limitless palette and bottomless depth of existential meaning. The paths of experience we previously traversed are then revealed in their deeper archetypal significance, their significance for not only our personal interests, but the interests of the whole interconnected organism of living and sentient beings. Now we finally reach past the superficial correlations of sensory appearances to the true inner causes of our life experience and of human history in general.
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Or in lieu of essays, one or more individuals could step forward and speak with authority on ‘intuitive thinking’. Speak on how they developed higher cognition and demonstrate some success with it. Perhaps indicate how we would know their intuitions ring true. Anyone here ready to step up?
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lorenzop wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:30 am Or in lieu of essays, one or more individuals could step forward and speak with authority on ‘intuitive thinking’. Speak on how they developed higher cognition and demonstrate some success with it. Perhaps indicate how we would know their intuitions ring true. Anyone here ready to step up?
Lorenzo, your thinking self has wiggled out of certain inner constraints. Through your practice, your inner self has differentiated from some of the inner constraints of desires, vain goals, and so on. This is already higher cognition than what most have, who flow merrily or not so merrily in the rigid channels of existence that Ashvin depicts. How would you demonstrate some success with this to those freefallers? How would they know that your intuitions ring true? How would they know that you haven't simply given up life and you try to convince yourself (and maybe others) that this is somehow a more fundamental state of existence, bringing you closer to Truth?
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AshvinP wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:22 pm I have been working on an essay which will be broken into a few sections. It is still a work in progress, but the first section is mostly complete and I will post the first part here. The first section is mostly an overview of the principled foundation for the intuitive thinking path, a broad survey of why it is so important in our time and what it may entail. The essay draws on many familiar metaphors offered by Cleric over time, but hopefully, it is a somewhat unique angle and has a few new examples or illustrations of the inner phenomenological exploration. It should help reinforce the intuitive orientation to that inner landscape and serve as more preparation for Cleric's upcoming essays. Any feedback is welcome!


Greatly appreciated essay, Ashvin, thank you! The angle you have presented here is indeed new, as I see it. For me personally, it falls into place as the elaboration of an aphorism ML posted a few days ago: "the bee transforms nectar to honey; the human being transforms biology into biography", which has kept resonating since then, as if waiting to grow into some more structured expression.

In particular, your illustration has been illuminating to further develop a thought that arose in connection with the recent conversation with Marco. His self-isolation within the confines of his overwrought mind made me reflect on how common this attitude is, how unconditionally we accept the very unscientific arbitrariness of our natural mental preferences, and how difficult the journey in the direction of truth really is. Because even when the idea of spiritual concentricity and interconnectedness is accepted - like it is for me - the reality of experiencing the tiniest bit of that shared territory can still meet strong inner resistance - visceral resistance - as I know well enough for myself. And so I was thinking that this hurdle is tough enough, and yet many spiritually-minded people around us don’t even come to wrestle with this phenomenology, because the blockage for them lies higher upstream: even only the idea of interconnectedness is scandalous for them, let alone the thinking practice that needs to be brought to bear once the light of the idea is seen. To be sure they won’t see it, they prefer to self-isolate inside their mind container, which they adorn with an esthetic selection of spiritual mental pictures.

And I was thinking how collectively entrenched we have become in this attitude, and how the covid quarantines and self-isolations of 2020-2021 can actually be seen as unequivocal outer symbol for our inner generalized attitude to reality. Our mind bubbles and dissociative boundaries have become so obstinate and thick that we have managed to manifest them on this side of our sensory experience. Interestingly, for some - in whose ranks I include myself - those events and the chance to spend much longer, quieter moments alone, have effected the beginning of a new phase: the emergence on the mind surface of an impelling spiritual quest and impulse. In retrospect, I feel that those two years have worked very much like a watershed, both at the individual level and at the collective, either as a wake-up call for some, or throwing some others in even more troubled soul waters than before.

Reading your essay from the perspective of such a mood of thought, I could follow its red thread, and use it to improve the clarity of the biographical reflection. With better agility zooming in and out, I've just gained a clearer overview on my life path, more like a novelist, as you say - who by definition grasps and controls the whole narrative trajectory - and less like the novel reader, who is ‘manipulated’, conducted, through the narrated vicissitudes. And so it stands out in clearer outlines now, how I’ve always had an instinctively defiant attitude towards the shrinking palette of states that you describe, the “contraction of potential” that comes about throughout life, as life unfolds and becomes more and more collapsed and determined, like in the fitting metaphor of the crossword puzzle.

Initially, my go-to way of resetting the crossword puzzle, fighting the collapsing potential, has been by geographical escape. I have a few of them in my records. Of course, inversing the degrees of freedom inevitably comes with proportionate sacrifices. In my first geographical escape, I sacrificed the benefits that my ‘prestigious’ education - which I rejected - was granting me in the original geography. But that was not enough. I kept on resetting the game, and in my last escape I sacrificed what looked like a respectable director job and related perks, which I also ended up rejecting, and quit, in a further geographical move, once again starting from scratch - in a way, like a child, who has to learn the abc of how to relate to, and subsist in, its new environment. So for my part, I didn’t experience any mid-life "crisis of limitations". I was too busy learning new alphabets, hoping they would provide some more solid answers to the questions of meaning and destiny. At that point, however, “the natural-spiritual evolutionary process wherein the contracting space of natural potential should transition into the expanding space of spiritual potential” was not clearly spelled out for me. But then, like an opportunity in disguise, covid came, to mark the start of a quite intensive spiritual research phase, which brought me to explore and 'consume' a few paths, from the Vedantic to the non-dual, to that of idealism.

And here we are, as you say, reading and commenting on this essay, on this forum, trying to put our life experience into fruition, this time in an inward-oriented effort, facing the universal (in the sense of 'shared with the rest of humanity' and also in the sense of 'coming to meet us from the universe') necessity of “doing for ourselves what was once done for us as a part of natural development”. Hopefully we're slowly realizing how to develop the future potential from the inside of our mental resources and out, through a sacrifice that also requires to be effected inwardly, this time around. It’s not outer comfort and status that need to be sacrificed this time, but inner comfort and status. It's not so much about our convenient homes, cars, jobs, holidays, relationships, as it is about our comfortable and indolent worldviews, mind habits, and self-images. And hopefully, as you say, this necessary inversion is happening as we speak/read/write, to the extent that we become aware of that, and bring it to bear within.

So, again, thank you for fleshing out the journey ahead from yet another revealing angle. It definitely helps recover “the intended function and meaning” of the outer developmental phase, and I hope that others will be equally inspired to match this outline with the reality of their own life path. Besides, there is evidently much more to meditate on, in between the lines of your essay. But, for now, I simply wanted to resonate with its very practical usefulness, in terms of establishing a solid context, from a bird’s eye perspective, around our reason for being here, or elsewhere, dedicating regular mind-attention and heart-attention to the redemption of our shared inner reality.
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Federica wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2024 3:51 pm
AshvinP wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:22 pm I have been working on an essay which will be broken into a few sections. It is still a work in progress, but the first section is mostly complete and I will post the first part here. The first section is mostly an overview of the principled foundation for the intuitive thinking path, a broad survey of why it is so important in our time and what it may entail. The essay draws on many familiar metaphors offered by Cleric over time, but hopefully, it is a somewhat unique angle and has a few new examples or illustrations of the inner phenomenological exploration. It should help reinforce the intuitive orientation to that inner landscape and serve as more preparation for Cleric's upcoming essays. Any feedback is welcome!


Greatly appreciated essay, Ashvin, thank you! The angle you have presented here is indeed new, as I see it. For me personally, it falls into place as the elaboration of an aphorism ML posted a few days ago: "the bee transforms nectar to honey; the human being transforms biology into biography", which has kept resonating since then, as if waiting to grow into some more structured expression.

In particular, your illustration has been illuminating to further develop a thought that arose in connection with the recent conversation with Marco. His self-isolation within the confines of his overwrought mind made me reflect on how common this attitude is, how unconditionally we accept the very unscientific arbitrariness of our natural mental preferences, and how difficult the journey in the direction of truth really is. Because even when the idea of spiritual concentricity and interconnectedness is accepted - like it is for me - the reality of experiencing the tiniest bit of that shared territory can still meet strong inner resistance - visceral resistance - as I know well enough for myself. And so I was thinking that this hurdle is tough enough, and yet many spiritually-minded people around us don’t even come to wrestle with this phenomenology, because the blockage for them lies higher upstream: even only the idea of interconnectedness is scandalous for them, let alone the thinking practice that needs to be brought to bear once the light of the idea is seen. To be sure they won’t see it, they prefer to self-isolate inside their mind container, which they adorn with an esthetic selection of spiritual mental pictures.

And I was thinking how collectively entrenched we have become in this attitude, and how the covid quarantines and self-isolations of 2020-2021 can actually be seen as unequivocal outer symbol for our inner generalized attitude to reality. Our mind bubbles and dissociative boundaries have become so obstinate and thick that we have managed to manifest them on this side of our sensory experience. Interestingly, for some - in whose ranks I include myself - those events and the chance to spend much longer, quieter moments alone, have effected the beginning of a new phase: the emergence on the mind surface of an impelling spiritual quest and impulse. In retrospect, I feel that those two years have worked very much like a watershed, both at the individual level and at the collective, either as a wake-up call for some, or throwing some others in even more troubled soul waters than before.

Reading your essay from the perspective of such a mood of thought, I could follow its red thread, and use it to improve the clarity of the biographical reflection. With better agility zooming in and out, I've just gained a clearer overview on my life path, more like a novelist, as you say - who by definition grasps and controls the whole narrative trajectory - and less like the novel reader, who is ‘manipulated’, conducted, through the narrated vicissitudes. And so it stands out in clearer outlines now, how I’ve always had an instinctively defiant attitude towards the shrinking palette of states that you describe, the “contraction of potential” that comes about throughout life, as life unfolds and becomes more and more collapsed and determined, like in the fitting metaphor of the crossword puzzle.

Initially, my go-to way of resetting the crossword puzzle, fighting the collapsing potential, has been by geographical escape. I have a few of them in my records. Of course, inversing the degrees of freedom inevitably comes with proportionate sacrifices. In my first geographical escape, I sacrificed the benefits that my ‘prestigious’ education - which I rejected - was granting me in the original geography. But that was not enough. I kept on resetting the game, and in my last escape I sacrificed what looked like a respectable director job and related perks, which I also ended up rejecting, and quit, in a further geographical move, once again starting from scratch - in a way, like a child, who has to learn the abc of how to relate to, and subsist in, its new environment. So for my part, I didn’t experience any mid-life "crisis of limitations". I was too busy learning new alphabets, hoping they would provide some more solid answers to the questions of meaning and destiny. At that point, however, “the natural-spiritual evolutionary process wherein the contracting space of natural potential should transition into the expanding space of spiritual potential” was not clearly spelled out for me. But then, like an opportunity in disguise, covid came, to mark the start of a quite intensive spiritual research phase, which brought me to explore and 'consume' a few paths, from the Vedantic to the non-dual, to that of idealism.

And here we are, as you say, reading and commenting on this essay, on this forum, trying to put our life experience into fruition, this time in an inward-oriented effort, facing the universal (in the sense of 'shared with the rest of humanity' and also in the sense of 'coming to meet us from the universe') necessity of “doing for ourselves what was once done for us as a part of natural development”. Hopefully we're slowly realizing how to develop the future potential from the inside of our mental resources and out, through a sacrifice that also requires to be effected inwardly, this time around. It’s not outer comfort and status that need to be sacrificed this time, but inner comfort and status. It's not so much about our convenient homes, cars, jobs, holidays, relationships, as it is about our comfortable and indolent worldviews, mind habits, and self-images. And hopefully, as you say, this necessary inversion is happening as we speak/read/write, to the extent that we become aware of that, and bring it to bear within.

So, again, thank you for fleshing out the journey ahead from yet another revealing angle. It definitely helps recover “the intended function and meaning” of the outer developmental phase, and I hope that others will be equally inspired to match this outline with the reality of their own life path. Besides, there is evidently much more to meditate on, in between the lines of your essay. But, for now, I simply wanted to resonate with its very practical usefulness, in terms of establishing a solid context, from a bird’s eye perspective, around our reason for being here, or elsewhere, dedicating regular mind-attention and heart-attention to the redemption of our shared inner reality.

Thank you Federica for the feedback and for sharing some of your relevant history.

Yes, the situation with Marco was a characteristic example. What I can say personally is that I needed to find a burning enthusiasm to know my inner workings better and better, no matter what the obstacles or the cost. I am convinced this enthusiasm comes through prayer, first and foremost. Perhaps it is similar for you. It doesn't need to be prayer to any specific deity or within any specific religious framework. But simply the act of humbly seeking attunement with the Divine intents is what continuously provides me the source of energy to keep at it and to concretely understand that, by gradually investigating the structure and dynamics of the inner life, no matter how trivial it may seem at first, I am also exploring the deepest Cosmic secrets and making the greatest practical difference I can make for myself and others at this time.

One can start to concretely sense that there are greater allies who have taken notice, are feeding us inspirations, widening our aperture of wisdom, and motivating our efforts. Not at all at one time, of course, but their loving attention gradually precipitates into our flow of experience as circumstances require. We will continue to meet inner resistance and outer obstacles, but it will never be more than we can handle at any given time. I feel that is the most promising avenue for a person with the modern constitution to nevertheless find the inner strength to make the necessary sacrifices. But it's not an easy thing to bring up and communicate in these types of discussions, and one must have at least some living conceptual basis for the role of thinking in the experiential flow, across the scales of existence, to discern how these prayers reach Cosmic heights and help attract us toward our fully human potential.

I hope to at least make some hints in this direction in subsequent parts.
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AshvinP wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:16 pm Thank you Federica for the feedback and for sharing some of your relevant history.

Yes, the situation with Marco was a characteristic example. What I can say personally is that I needed to find a burning enthusiasm to know my inner workings better and better, no matter what the obstacles or the cost. I am convinced this enthusiasm comes through prayer, first and foremost. Perhaps it is similar for you. It doesn't need to be prayer to any specific deity or within any specific religious framework. But simply the act of humbly seeking attunement with the Divine intents is what continuously provides me the source of energy to keep at it and to concretely understand that, by gradually investigating the structure and dynamics of the inner life, no matter how trivial it may seem at first, I am also exploring the deepest Cosmic secrets and making the greatest practical difference I can make for myself and others at this time.

One can start to concretely sense that there are greater allies who have taken notice, are feeding us inspirations, widening our aperture of wisdom, and motivating our efforts. Not at all at one time, of course, but their loving attention gradually precipitates into our flow of experience as circumstances require. We will continue to meet inner resistance and outer obstacles, but it will never be more than we can handle at any given time. I feel that is the most promising avenue for a person with the modern constitution to nevertheless find the inner strength to make the necessary sacrifices. But it's not an easy thing to bring up and communicate in these types of discussions, and one must have at least some living conceptual basis for the role of thinking in the experiential flow, across the scales of existence, to discern how these prayers reach Cosmic heights and help attract us toward our fully human potential.

I hope to at least make some hints in this direction in subsequent parts.

My impression is that enthusiasm is kindled at the conjunction of humble attunement with let’s call it individuation, that is thirst for knowledge as a scientific-inventive kind of impulse. I feel that the forces of humble attunement with the Divine intents, which used to spark instinctive reverence and submission for ancient man, are complemented by something else, for the flame of enthusiasm to be a stable presence, so that submission may become willed and free, rather than instinctive.
Perhaps another way to say it is that for me the motivating impulse is to make existence meaningful, making use of whatever capacity may become discoverable, which probably, at the end of the day, comes down to the same thing as prayer, once the patterns begin to align. One could come to that convergence from a background of inquiry, or from one of faith, and perhaps both examples are present here. In my case, coming neither from faith nor from natural science, it’s been, and still is, about honoring the existence and potential bestowed on the however minuscule fraction of experience that I recognize agency over. And maybe these nuances are nothing else that the usual TFW distinctions of human activity, and enthusiasm has mysterious origin, but once received, it is kept alive at the common center of the three layers.
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Federica wrote: Wed May 01, 2024 12:37 pm
AshvinP wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:16 pm Thank you Federica for the feedback and for sharing some of your relevant history.

Yes, the situation with Marco was a characteristic example. What I can say personally is that I needed to find a burning enthusiasm to know my inner workings better and better, no matter what the obstacles or the cost. I am convinced this enthusiasm comes through prayer, first and foremost. Perhaps it is similar for you. It doesn't need to be prayer to any specific deity or within any specific religious framework. But simply the act of humbly seeking attunement with the Divine intents is what continuously provides me the source of energy to keep at it and to concretely understand that, by gradually investigating the structure and dynamics of the inner life, no matter how trivial it may seem at first, I am also exploring the deepest Cosmic secrets and making the greatest practical difference I can make for myself and others at this time.

One can start to concretely sense that there are greater allies who have taken notice, are feeding us inspirations, widening our aperture of wisdom, and motivating our efforts. Not at all at one time, of course, but their loving attention gradually precipitates into our flow of experience as circumstances require. We will continue to meet inner resistance and outer obstacles, but it will never be more than we can handle at any given time. I feel that is the most promising avenue for a person with the modern constitution to nevertheless find the inner strength to make the necessary sacrifices. But it's not an easy thing to bring up and communicate in these types of discussions, and one must have at least some living conceptual basis for the role of thinking in the experiential flow, across the scales of existence, to discern how these prayers reach Cosmic heights and help attract us toward our fully human potential.

I hope to at least make some hints in this direction in subsequent parts.

My impression is that enthusiasm is kindled at the conjunction of humble attunement with let’s call it individuation, that is thirst for knowledge as a scientific-inventive kind of impulse. I feel that the forces of humble attunement with the Divine intents, which used to spark instinctive reverence and submission for ancient man, are complemented by something else, for the flame of enthusiasm to be a stable presence, so that submission may become willed and free, rather than instinctive.
Perhaps another way to say it is that for me the motivating impulse is to make existence meaningful, making use of whatever capacity may become discoverable, which probably, at the end of the day, comes down to the same thing as prayer, once the patterns begin to align. One could come to that convergence from a background of inquiry, or from one of faith, and perhaps both examples are present here. In my case, coming neither from faith nor from natural science, it’s been, and still is, about honoring the existence and potential bestowed on the however minuscule fraction of experience that I recognize agency over. And maybe these nuances are nothing else that the usual TFW distinctions of human activity, and enthusiasm has mysterious origin, but once received, it is kept alive at the common center of the three layers.

Right, the devoted attunement is continuously complemented by the thirst for wisdom and creative innovation, and no phenomenal expressions of the Spirit can be deemed too trivial or unnecessary for our widening the aperture of living knowledge.

I will also remark that, across all people with whom I have met resistance to the phenomenological exploration, which has been almost exclusively within idealist-oriented forums, including here, has been an attachment to 'liberal' ideology in some form or another. At a certain point, the person refuses to continue thinking through the ideas for themselves and rather lets the templated ideological narrative think through them. I am not saying the ideological position is necessarily the cause for the resistance, but there is a clear correlation between the soul stance that resists free-thinking exploration of ideas and liberal ideological attachment. The language of 'toxicity', 'tyranny', 'gaslighting', 'hierarchy' (in a negative way), and so on often make its appearance in such discussions. This goes hand in hand with the aversion to investigating the living inner movements of the soul and the World which everywhere testify to contextual structure and concrete roles and responsibilities within that structure. This is even evident in Anthroposophical circles, such as we have discussed with Waldorf schools, or as we see in Part 6 of the occult science YT discussion (Chad Harris' comments about karmic laws being 'dangerous' and 'racist').

The only exception to this I have encountered are theistic fundamentalists, who simply cannot abide in bringing the Creator too intimately into the life of the creature. That is a very interesting case, because here you have someone who values devotion to the intentional and intelligent Divine, hierarchical context, personal responsibility, active agency, etc., but out of sheer loyalty to tradition and dogma refuses to pursue the red thread of intentional life too deeply toward its shared Center. Of course, I am not mentioning these resistant soul configurations as something independent of my own - something of each of them lives in all of us and makes our earthly personalities what they are. Yet for some, the devoted enthusiasm for spiritual freedom and living Truth overcomes the inertia of past conditioning and sets off a positive feedback spiral of unveiling the contextual arrows of conditioning and growing in the Spirit of devoted enthusiasm.
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AshvinP wrote: Wed May 01, 2024 3:06 pm Right, the devoted attunement is continuously complemented by the thirst for wisdom and creative innovation, and no phenomenal expressions of the Spirit can be deemed too trivial or unnecessary for our widening the aperture of living knowledge.

I will also remark that, across all people with whom I have met resistance to the phenomenological exploration, which has been almost exclusively within idealist-oriented forums, including here, has been an attachment to 'liberal' ideology in some form or another. At a certain point, the person refuses to continue thinking through the ideas for themselves and rather lets the templated ideological narrative think through them. I am not saying the ideological position is necessarily the cause for the resistance, but there is a clear correlation between the soul stance that resists free-thinking exploration of ideas and liberal ideological attachment. The language of 'toxicity', 'tyranny', 'gaslighting', 'hierarchy' (in a negative way), and so on often make its appearance in such discussions. This goes hand in hand with the aversion to investigating the living inner movements of the soul and the World which everywhere testify to contextual structure and concrete roles and responsibilities within that structure. This is even evident in Anthroposophical circles, such as we have discussed with Waldorf schools, or as we see in Part 6 of the occult science YT discussion (Chad Harris' comments about karmic laws being 'dangerous' and 'racist').

The only exception to this I have encountered are theistic fundamentalists, who simply cannot abide in bringing the Creator too intimately into the life of the creature. That is a very interesting case, because here you have someone who values devotion to the intentional and intelligent Divine, hierarchical context, personal responsibility, active agency, etc., but out of sheer loyalty to tradition and dogma refuses to pursue the red thread of intentional life too deeply toward its shared Center. Of course, I am not mentioning these resistant soul configurations as something independent of my own - something of each of them lives in all of us and makes our earthly personalities what they are. Yet for some, the devoted enthusiasm for spiritual freedom and living Truth overcomes the inertia of past conditioning and sets off a positive feedback spiral of unveiling the contextual arrows of conditioning and growing in the Spirit of devoted enthusiasm.


I see what you mean, Ashvin, and also find certain narratives and vocabulary (“toxic” is definitely in that spectrum) quite indicative. At the same time, people who do not have any resistance to living thinking are so few that maybe the most effective thing would be to ask them whether they have any political preferences, if, from correlation, you want to get closer to causation :)

And here I would ask you: knowing that ideology of any color is not helpful to gain a sense for truth, why is the liberal one in particular more correlated with resistance to living thinking, as you see it? Something that comes to mind here is that maybe the “exception” of the theistic fundamentalists - who, I suppose, and I may be wrong, tend to identify less with liberal and more with republican ideology - is not an exception, but simply another example of the same issue: that ideology is the problem, regardless of its color. An ideological understanding of reality is the hindrance to openness to living thinking. A hard-core materialist for example, that is, one who lives in an ideology, not the casual materialist, will inevitably resist living thinking. And hard-core materialits are definitely positioned all along the political ideological spectrum.

And a last remark: sometimes, signs of a given ideology are misleading. For example, a vegetarian who is vegetarian for spiritual scientific reasons, may easily give off a false signal of liberal preference :)


Regarding Chad Harris - I think his objection is understandable when the soul perspective is limited, and a sense for truth has not been developed yet. As Steiner said, it’s possible to resonate with truth even before one is able to discover spiritual truths through clairvoyance (if one has exposed oneself to spiritual research to a reasonable extent, which doesn’t seem to be the case of CH). For example, I am sure that he's informed about reincarnation, but he has not made it into a felt and integrated reality in his understanding; from the occult science reading group, he must be aware of the idea of “life between death and rebirth”, however he probably sees it as a mere periphrasis, probably stuck in a conventional conception of death as absolute tragedy, and dissolution into nothingness. In other words, he seems to make that comment from a perspective that has snapped back to (or never taken off from) a ground-level, naive-realistic understanding of reality. I believe Steiner called this type of reasoning “having half thoughts”. The soul-intellectual attention span is not strong enough to bring to bear the spiritual scientific ideas in their fullness, so they are commented on as if one had only received them in half. Before one comes to integrate the complete idea, a certain mind habit (or a certain being, we could say) slips in, colonizes the soul, takes the mind-floor, and speaks from within that voice. As you say, the idea thinks him.

In the discussion, Ashton, Angus, and Matt didn’t reply much helpfully to CH as it seems to me. Then Karsten did say something in the direction of a proper reply. In any case, Angus is finally right: the fact that these discussions are taking place, with objections such as these included, is really helpful, and I share his thought of thankfulness for the initiative.
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Federica wrote: Wed May 01, 2024 6:28 pm
AshvinP wrote: Wed May 01, 2024 3:06 pm Right, the devoted attunement is continuously complemented by the thirst for wisdom and creative innovation, and no phenomenal expressions of the Spirit can be deemed too trivial or unnecessary for our widening the aperture of living knowledge.

I will also remark that, across all people with whom I have met resistance to the phenomenological exploration, which has been almost exclusively within idealist-oriented forums, including here, has been an attachment to 'liberal' ideology in some form or another. At a certain point, the person refuses to continue thinking through the ideas for themselves and rather lets the templated ideological narrative think through them. I am not saying the ideological position is necessarily the cause for the resistance, but there is a clear correlation between the soul stance that resists free-thinking exploration of ideas and liberal ideological attachment. The language of 'toxicity', 'tyranny', 'gaslighting', 'hierarchy' (in a negative way), and so on often make its appearance in such discussions. This goes hand in hand with the aversion to investigating the living inner movements of the soul and the World which everywhere testify to contextual structure and concrete roles and responsibilities within that structure. This is even evident in Anthroposophical circles, such as we have discussed with Waldorf schools, or as we see in Part 6 of the occult science YT discussion (Chad Harris' comments about karmic laws being 'dangerous' and 'racist').

The only exception to this I have encountered are theistic fundamentalists, who simply cannot abide in bringing the Creator too intimately into the life of the creature. That is a very interesting case, because here you have someone who values devotion to the intentional and intelligent Divine, hierarchical context, personal responsibility, active agency, etc., but out of sheer loyalty to tradition and dogma refuses to pursue the red thread of intentional life too deeply toward its shared Center. Of course, I am not mentioning these resistant soul configurations as something independent of my own - something of each of them lives in all of us and makes our earthly personalities what they are. Yet for some, the devoted enthusiasm for spiritual freedom and living Truth overcomes the inertia of past conditioning and sets off a positive feedback spiral of unveiling the contextual arrows of conditioning and growing in the Spirit of devoted enthusiasm.


I see what you mean, Ashvin, and also find certain narratives and vocabulary (“toxic” is definitely in that spectrum) quite indicative. At the same time, people who do not have any resistance to living thinking are so few that maybe the most effective thing would be to ask them whether they have any political preferences, if, from correlation, you want to get closer to causation :)

And here I would ask you: knowing that ideology of any color is not helpful to gain a sense for truth, why is the liberal one in particular more correlated with resistance to living thinking, as you see it? Something that comes to mind here is that maybe the “exception” of the theistic fundamentalists - who, I suppose, and I may be wrong, tend to identify less with liberal and more with republican ideology - is not an exception, but simply another example of the same issue: that ideology is the problem, regardless of its color. An ideological understanding of reality is the hindrance to openness to living thinking. A hard-core materials for example, that is, one who lives in an ideology, not the casual materialist, will inevitably resist living thinking. And hard-core materialsits are definitely positioned at both sides of the political ideological spectrum.

And a last remark: sometimes, signs of a given ideology are misleading. For example, a vegetarian who is vegetarian for spiritual scientific reasons, may easily give off a false signal of a liberal preference :)


Regarding Chad Harris - I think his objection is understandable when the soul perspective is limited, and a sense for truth has not been developed yet. As Steiner said, it’s possible to resonate with truth even before one is able to discover spiritual truths through clairvoyance (if one has exposed oneself to spiritual research to a reasonable extent, which doesn’t seem to be the case of CH). For example, I am sure that he's informed about reincarnation, but he has not made it into a felt and integrated reality in his understanding; from the occult science reading group, he must be aware of the idea of “life between death and rebirth”, however he probably sees it as a mere periphrasis, probably stuck in a conventional conception of death as absolute tragedy, and dissolution into nothingness. In other words, he seems to make that comment from a perspective that has snapped back to (or never taken off from) a ground-level, naive-realistic understanding of reality. I believe Steiner called this type of reasoning “having half thoughts”. The soul-intellectual attention span is not strong enough to bring to bear the spiritual scientific ideas in their fullness, so they are commented on as if one had only received them in half. Before one comes to integrate the complete idea, a certain mind habit (or a certain being, we could say) slips in, colonizes the soul, takes the mind-floor, and speaks from within that voice. As you say, the idea thinks him.

By 'liberal ideology', I intend to convey whatever is that channel which constricts the transformation of mental states from those exploring the inner value of Western civilization in so far as the latter emphasizes individual agency and sovereignty, hierarchical structure, moral ideals, inner perfection, and related dimensions of being (all grouped around the Christ impulse, of course).

It is true that all ideologies are a hindrance in so far as they channelize our thinking into rigid conceptual boxes and cut off deeper avenues of exploration, but I notice a gradation within this zone of mental constraints as well. It's just my experience that people enchanted by 'liberal' ideology (which correlates with modern mystical thinking as well) are not even willing to lend an ear to certain phenomenological considerations - the latter immediately strike them as offensive and disgusting, so that avenue of thinking is permanently closed as long as the ideology remains firm.

I think the more conservative-leaning ideologies also find it difficult to expand thinking states into the inner life, but it seems to me that they are at least willing to listen to what someone has to say for a little while. They seem too respectful of free-thinking and individual autonomy to feel that anything they instinctively disagree with should be entirely shut out of their consciousness and out of societal discourse more generally. It's pretty easy to notice this in the US/Canadian cultural discourse as well - the conservative ideological side is significantly more willing to entertain the views of others in a reasoned and level-headed way.

That's the issue that I noticed in Chad's comments as well. Hopefully, this is not the case for him specifically, but speaking generally, people who think about the results of spiritual scientific research in such a way are unlikely to ever give themselves a chance to evaluate it more expansively and fairly. Everything they encounter when reading further will only reinforce the 'racism' and 'misogyny' and whatnot that they suspected. The ideology gets to the point where the mere act of making evolutionary distinctions and tracing their threads of lawfulness is viewed as inherently corrupted.

But, that being said, I realize this reasoning is based on my limited sampling so far, and I mostly have exposure to the 'liberal' side since I am on these idealist forums. I am sure things wouldn't go so well if I joined a Christian fundamentalist forum and started discussing esoteric science :) Although my guess is still that, if it was approached phenomenologically, some people would at least listen to what was expressed for a while and would not ban me for simply expressing my views.

In the discussion, Ashton, Angus, and Matt didn’t reply much helpfully to CH as it seems to me. Then Karsten did say something in the direction of a proper reply. In any case, Angus is finally right: the fact that these discussions are taking place, with objections such as these included, is really helpful, and I share his thought of thankfulness for the initiative.

Indeed, I find the discussions on the whole very interesting and often insightful, particularly Angus, Matt, and Max, but others on occasion as well, and I am thankful that it is being carried out and made available to us. I would like to join the group on the next book, but unfortunately, it's not a great time for me.
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AshvinP wrote: Wed May 01, 2024 7:11 pm By 'liberal ideology', I intend to convey whatever is that channel which constricts the transformation of mental states from those exploring the inner value of Western civilization in so far as the latter emphasizes individual agency and sovereignty, hierarchical structure, moral ideals, inner perfection, and related dimensions of being (all grouped around the Christ impulse, of course).

Hein?? :D :)
Basically you are taking the Christ impluse - the wellspring of Good - and saying: "I call liberal everything that derails people's mental states away from it". Of course, if you define liberal as the oppsite of good, that is, evil, well, there's no wondering that there's correlation with resistance to living thinking. One can even be quite sure that there is causation. I am going to highlight that article a third time, and this time I would ask you explicitely (I believe you previosuly implied you read it) do you agree with it?

https://johnrollinson.substack.com/p/th ... -movements
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