GA 13 - Rudolf Steiner's "Secret Science in Outline"

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Re: GA 13 - Rudolf Steiner's "Secret Science in Outline"

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AshvinP wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2024 11:22 pm
It occurred to me Cleric provided a nice way to somewhat quickly approach the inner improvisational experience and also its relation to what we later call habits or technical skills:

To make this clearer we can try to imagine a certain pattern of nudges that we choose on the fly, say, left, left, right. We perform these nudges without trying to imagine the receding effects, we only imagine the nudges, as if we nudge a steering wheel. Then we put the nudges aside for a moment, for example we may count to five, and then try to repeat them.

Here we have something that on first look seems completely trivial but which is very fruitful if we give it the needed attention. When we try to repeat the pattern we should try to feel what gives us the possibility to do so? In the first pass we chose the pattern without any constraints. Whether that choice was truly free doesn’t matter. There are certainly invisible constraints to our imagination so our choice is probably biased but normally we’re not aware of these constraints. In the second pass, however, we wilfully try to imagine something that is not random but fits in certain constraints. When we perform the first pass it is as if something of our act diffuses and continues to reverberate in our conscious context. Then when we try the second pass we seek the movements that resonate with the invisible reverberations. If we do the wrong pattern we feel “that’s not what I did”. How do we know? Because the knowing of what we did in the first pass still hovers in our conscious context and allows us to feel whether the pattern we perform in the second pass resonates or dissonates with it.

When we look at things with such intimacy we can see that there’s something phenomenologically real for which our visualization is a symbolic expression. We may not visually see our thoughts receding but it is obviously true that every thought is infused in our conscious context and can be sought when we try to align new movements with it.

In blue, we experience spiritual activity that doesn't know what it's going to do/think next but freely improvises. Then this spiritual activity recedes into conscious and subconscious memory and becomes something akin to a habitual constraint (although not yet so encrusted as most things we refer to as habits). If our patterns of nudges were practically useful for some Earthly task, then it could even become a technical skill after some practice. In red, we have spiritual activity that is constrained, that merely tries to replicate/remember based on the receded context of fully finished experiences. It is much more scripted spiritual activity that anticipates its next thinking-nudges. The more we experiment with such inner movements, the more these otherwise abstract differentiations between 'superconscious' and 'subconscious', and similar ones, will be elucidated.

So, as trivial as this may seem, it is really the essential inner difference between what is being called 'improvisational thinking' and non-improvisational, instinctive, habitual thinking (which eventually can also impress into emotional and physical habits). We clearly need a harmonious balance between the two. We can't simply keep nudging our steering wheel in form-free flow without any reference to the receded context or else we'll drive off the road into a ditch. Yet if we only focus on replicating receded thinking-nudges, we'll only move in a straight line and never visit new experiential terrain. In our time, the receded context is well-established - we have very set patterns within the mental, emotional, and physical spaces. So naturally we should focus more and more on cultivating the form-free capacity on the blue end of the spectrum, by which we can bring life and purity into the rigidified patterns.

But as we discussed, this isn't simply by continually improvising new thinking-nudges out of our personal and arbitrary will - it involves devoting and uniting our inner activity to a much higher Will that is the original source of all improvisational capacities. The higher Will draws our imaginative activity along trans-objective contextual relations that flash as insights and increasingly make sense of our current perceptual state. Then we become more conscious of the whole superconscious-subconscious depth flow, how these domains relate to one another, and can creatively participate in harmonizing the layers of our intuitive being.

Yes - thanks for the wrap up.
Upon reflection, I believe that a big part of my reservations about terming this idea "improvisation" is of linguistic nature. Because of my background in a neo-latin language, when I hear improv**** I inevitably connect it with the Latin root (im-provisus) which literally means unforeseen. It is the same word as "sudden", "precipitous", but in English, this is undetectable. So, in neo-latin idioms improv**** may have a negative connotation. In a way, it is the opposite of providence, providential. It's im-providential.
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Re: GA 13 - Rudolf Steiner's "Secret Science in Outline"

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In my mind and native language, the word improvisation is also mostly connected with suboptimal situations. The general context I hear it used in is something like Ashvin's example of the unplanned vacation:
A: I'll go there without any hotel booking.
B: What will you do if you can't find accommodation?
A: I'll improvise.

So on one hand we can have something like handicapped Tetris, where we see the pieces appear just an instant before they need to be plugged in. This is certainly a skill that requires calmness and the ability to make the best out of each situation. It reminds of something related to chess I saw some time ago (after 5:22):



Blitz chess sessions are a lot like playing Tetris with a handicap, except the tree of possibilities is vastly greater at each turn. Hikaru explains that there aren't any calculations at this pace of playing. It's just looking at the board feeling a move as if by resonance. In our language we may say that through the thousands of games he has played he has polished quite well the etheric riverbed.

On the other hand, we have a person who tries to calculate everything, to hedge against every possible outcome, and so on. Yet this necessarily turns us into an isolated intellect that tries to beat the game by effortfully walking through the tree of possibilities. Of course, in general life, there are so many factors (even without considering the hidden spiritual curvatures) that we can't really be prepared for all situations. That's why people who are more spontaneous see the former as unnecessarily rigid, afraid to take risks, and even boring.

Yet, both of these extremes are still flattened over the sensory-intellectual spectrum.
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Federica wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2024 2:14 pm Yes - thanks for the wrap up.
Upon reflection, I believe that a big part of my reservations about terming this idea "improvisation" is of linguistic nature. Because of my background in a neo-latin language, when I hear improv**** I inevitably connect it with the Latin root (im-provisus) which literally means unforeseen. It is the same word as "sudden", "precipitous", but in English, this is undetectable. So, in neo-latin idioms improv**** may have a negative connotation. In a way, it is the opposite of providence, providential. It's im-providential.

I was also thinking of the roots recently. I broke it down as im-pro-vise, as in not-fore-seen, which ends up the same. It also reminded me of the mythology of Prometheus and his brother Epimetheus. The latter could only survey the past and make decisions based on that, while the former had the fiery capacity to start working with the unforeseen future. Clearly, that is the Luciferic element expressed which certainly rebels against the Divine dictates of fate. Through the Christ impulse, we can purify our Luciferic freedom to improvise and thereby align our spiritual activity with the progressive streams of providence.

It's always helpful to take an objective look at the etymology of words, which is something I don't do enough. It helps us resonate more with the archetypal spiritual gestures that are embedded in the verbal forms, i.e. move from the subconscious to the superconscious.
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Cleric K wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2024 3:37 pm Yet, both of these extremes are still flattened over the sensory-intellectual spectrum.

It ultimately comes down to methods for decision-making. Within the flattened spectrum, either you simplify to the extreme, ending up with something like game theory - but the price to pay is a super abstract model that only works under unrealistic hypotheses - or you go with the historical-descriptive approach, which is realistic enough, but then the void opens up at the other edge: it's difficult to bridge that complex past with future action. In both cases the blanket is too small, unless a higher, more time-neutral insight is allowed into the equation. In fact, neither approach is more spontaneous than the other, in the sensory-intellectual spectrum. It's only that in the latter approach the time consuming part is the building up of the inventory (playing hundreds of thousands of games, in terms of blitz chess). Both approaches require micro-managed navigation of the flow, yet the descriptive one is more open to analogy and more trusting in the intuition that "can't be put in words". The modeled approach feels more hopeless, because it's abstract, and at the same time it's non mathematical. The prescription it issues is a hopeless dead end: internally consistent, but inapplicable to reality. It doesn't really work, there is no way it miraculously reflects the workings of nature, like the laws of physics do. The only inner reality it reflects is the bare intellect. This was in summary, my big disappointment with my studies of economics, though at that time I was obviously unable to conceptualize it in this way and it was more of a basic feeling that all those theories were either useless, absurd, or statistical which is of course a way to give up understanding. But I am lucky I eventually bumped into an entirely new way to consider the question :)


Speaking of rapid chess, I sometimes watch children playing it, it's very interesting (to me):


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AshvinP wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2024 4:31 pm Through the Christ impulse, we can purify our Luciferic freedom to improvise and thereby align our spiritual activity with the progressive streams of providence.
I appreciate that. Thanks Ashvin.
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Cleric K wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2024 3:37 pm In my mind and native language, the word improvisation is also mostly connected with suboptimal situations. The general context I hear it used in is something like Ashvin's example of the unplanned vacation:
A: I'll go there without any hotel booking.
B: What will you do if you can't find accommodation?
A: I'll improvise.

These are great examples! The blitz chess really highlights the intuitive resonance that can be cultivated in these fluid thinking situations, although it needs to be extended into the contextual depth and not just the dataset of sensory-intellectual 'games'. The former could be thought of as the more integrated 'games' we only played between death and rebirth and during sleep. They were implicit in our instinctive development during life, the capacities and paths of experience, but not explicitly reflected in our sense-based thoughts.

In a sense, we are all being led to improvise more and more, whether we have that disposition or not. The Divine superconscious forces that rendered sensory life generally predictable from past experience are withdrawing further and further into the inner spheres. The people who fail to cultivate inner calmness and corresponding ability to spontaneously draw on moral intuitions will be left in the unplanned vacation scenario. They are only used to calculating and hedging but evolving circumstances will force them to confront situations where that no longer works, then they will be forced to improvise in the suboptimal sense.

Those who already think-act more spontaneously may welcome the challenge of the evolving circumstances, meeting it more courageously, but without the proper cognitive and moral orientation to the contextual depth, they may also veer into quite infernal aims that simply indulge in the emerging soul-spiritual spectrum. That can only be tamed through the impulse of Love.
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Federica wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2024 4:43 pm
It ultimately comes down to methods for decision-making. Within the flattened spectrum, either you simplify to the extreme, ending up with something like game theory - but the price to pay is a super abstract model that only works under unrealistic hypotheses - or you go with the historical-descriptive approach, which is realistic enough, but then the void opens up at the other edge: it's difficult to bridge that complex past with future action. In both cases the blanket is too small, unless a higher, more time-neutral insight is allowed into the equation. In fact, neither approach is more spontaneous than the other, in the sensory-intellectual spectrum. It's only that in the latter approach the time consuming part is the building up of the inventory (playing hundreds of thousands of games, in terms of blitz chess). Both approaches require micro-managed navigation of the flow, yet the descriptive one is more open to analogy and more trusting in the intuition that "can't be put in words". The modeled approach feels more hopeless, because it's abstract, and at the same time it's non mathematical. The prescription it issues is a hopeless dead end: internally consistent, but inapplicable to reality. It doesn't really work, there is no way it miraculously reflects the workings of nature, like the laws of physics do. The only inner reality it reflects is the bare intellect. This was in summary, my big disappointment with my studies of economics, though at that time I was obviously unable to conceptualize it in this way and it was more of a basic feeling that all those theories were either useless, absurd, or statistical which is of course a way to give up understanding.

Speaking of game theory, and how unfit it is to explain our social world, even from the perspective of a wise and logical approach, I have just read this great article, in which I am so glad to find a proper articulation of what I always felt, but was unable to appropriately lay down back then, as a student: The Curse of Game Theory by Cynthia Chung / Through a Glass Darkly.

Incidentally, in the article there's also an interesting mathematical analogy on the meaning of parallel in Euclid versus Eratosthenes, linking to this 2 minute tale:





Back to economics, and how our present day social-political chaos can be approached from an inner perspective to meet an outer one. We haven't discussed Steiner's social threefolding here, and it's not the topic of Chung's article, but if - like natural sciences and multidisciplinary research - economic consciousness in our times also starts to question the "doctrines", the foundational models - for example game theory - in which students of economics are still being indoctrinated, like I was, it's a positive sign that the tide is shifting. By the way, I am also glad to see that MS is bringing Steiner's social vision into non anthroposophical cultural-philosophical circles, for example with this presentation next week at the Developmental Politics Project:

https://developmentalpolitics.org/blog/ ... egall-phd/
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Federica wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2024 10:47 am By the way, I am also glad to see that MS is bringing Steiner's social vision into non anthroposophical cultural-philosophical circles, for example with this presentation next week at the Developmental Politics Project:

https://developmentalpolitics.org/blog/ ... egall-phd/
Thanks for sharing the article/video and thoughts on game theory, and the link for the MS presentation on social threefolding. I will check out the video soon.

Speaking of MS, I was looking for somewhere to post about the ongoing MysTech conference on the Mysteries of Light. One can register for free access here if interested (perhaps including a small donation, if one is so inclined). Day #1 finished yesterday and was only Linnell presenting on the quantum mechanical perspective on Light, tying that into Steiner's perspective on Light as Thought. Today seems much more packed with presentations:

Friday, August 9th
Day 2 of the MysTech Conference 2024 promises a full day of diverse and enlightening presentations on the multifaceted nature of light.

Speakers & Schedule:

9:30 am ET: Matthias Rang - Darkness as a Second Nature of Light
10:30 am ET: Henrike Holdrege - The Phenomenology of Light
11:30 am ET: Johannes Kuehl - Aspects of Light
2:00 pm ET: Dave Mansur - Light – Our Greatest Teacher
3:00 pm ET: Cynthia Hoven - Experiencing the Etheric through Eurythmy
4:30 pm ET: Doug Smith - Light as a Driver in Living Systems
7:30 pm ET: Judith Erb - Metamorphosis of Light in Life
Prepare for a day filled with insightful perspectives and groundbreaking discussions on the essence and impact of light.


Saturday, August 10th
Harlan Gilbert & Cedar Oliver
Light, Sight, and Enlightenment
9:30 AM | 09:30 (ET)

John Ech
Reimagining Light & Matter
10:30 AM | 10:30 (ET)

Andrew Linnell
Light in Time and Space
11:30 AM | 11:30 (ET)

Marie-Laure Valandro
The Cosmic Mission of the Artist
2:00 PM | 14:00 (ET)

Cynthia Hoven
Experiencing the etheric through eurythmy
3:00 PM | 15:00 (ET)

Igor Nazarov
Confusing Good and Evil while Considering Light as Electricity
4:00 PM | 16:00 (ET)

Forum
Time Permitting (30 min)
5:00 PM | 17:00 (ET)

Ashton Arnoldy
Wielders of Light
7:30 PM | 19:30 (ET)


Sunday, August 11th
Daniel Hafner
The Being of Light and Darkness In Higher and Lower Worlds
9:30 AM | 09:30 (ET)

Matt Segall
Etheric Imagination as Participatory Knowing
10:30 AM | 10:30 (ET)

Are Thoresen
The Fourth Portal, The Portal of Light
11:30 AM | 11:30 (ET)

Forum
Time Permitting (30 min)
12:30 PM | 12:30 (ET)

Closing
Joachim Faust & Andrew Linnell
1: 00 PM | 13:00 (ET)
"They only can acquire the sacred power of self-intuition, who within themselves can interpret and understand the symbol... those only, who feel in their own spirits the same instinct, which impels the chrysalis of the horned fly to leave room in the involucrum for antennae yet to come."
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Re: GA 13 - Rudolf Steiner's "Secret Science in Outline"

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AshvinP wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2024 12:14 pm
Federica wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2024 10:47 am By the way, I am also glad to see that MS is bringing Steiner's social vision into non anthroposophical cultural-philosophical circles, for example with this presentation next week at the Developmental Politics Project:

https://developmentalpolitics.org/blog/ ... egall-phd/
Thanks for sharing the article/video and thoughts on game theory, and the link for the MS presentation on social threefolding. I will check out the video soon.

Speaking of MS, I was looking for somewhere to post about the ongoing MysTech conference on the Mysteries of Light. One can register for free access here if interested (perhaps including a small donation, if one is so inclined). Day #1 finished yesterday and was only Linnell presenting on the quantum mechanical perspective on Light, tying that into Steiner's perspective on Light as Thought. Today seems much more packed with presentations:

Friday, August 9th
Day 2 of the MysTech Conference 2024 promises a full day of diverse and enlightening presentations on the multifaceted nature of light.

Speakers & Schedule:

9:30 am ET: Matthias Rang - Darkness as a Second Nature of Light
10:30 am ET: Henrike Holdrege - The Phenomenology of Light
11:30 am ET: Johannes Kuehl - Aspects of Light
2:00 pm ET: Dave Mansur - Light – Our Greatest Teacher
3:00 pm ET: Cynthia Hoven - Experiencing the Etheric through Eurythmy
4:30 pm ET: Doug Smith - Light as a Driver in Living Systems
7:30 pm ET: Judith Erb - Metamorphosis of Light in Life
Prepare for a day filled with insightful perspectives and groundbreaking discussions on the essence and impact of light.


Saturday, August 10th
Harlan Gilbert & Cedar Oliver
Light, Sight, and Enlightenment
9:30 AM | 09:30 (ET)

John Ech
Reimagining Light & Matter
10:30 AM | 10:30 (ET)

Andrew Linnell
Light in Time and Space
11:30 AM | 11:30 (ET)

Marie-Laure Valandro
The Cosmic Mission of the Artist
2:00 PM | 14:00 (ET)

Cynthia Hoven
Experiencing the etheric through eurythmy
3:00 PM | 15:00 (ET)

Igor Nazarov
Confusing Good and Evil while Considering Light as Electricity
4:00 PM | 16:00 (ET)

Forum
Time Permitting (30 min)
5:00 PM | 17:00 (ET)

Ashton Arnoldy
Wielders of Light
7:30 PM | 19:30 (ET)


Sunday, August 11th
Daniel Hafner
The Being of Light and Darkness In Higher and Lower Worlds
9:30 AM | 09:30 (ET)

Matt Segall
Etheric Imagination as Participatory Knowing
10:30 AM | 10:30 (ET)

Are Thoresen
The Fourth Portal, The Portal of Light
11:30 AM | 11:30 (ET)

Forum
Time Permitting (30 min)
12:30 PM | 12:30 (ET)

Closing
Joachim Faust & Andrew Linnell
1: 00 PM | 13:00 (ET)


Thanks Ashvin. Yes, I saw that. For my part, for the most interesting looking speeches, including Segall's and Thoresen's, I won't be able to make it on Sunday, I won't be home. Any other particular speaker you know/recommend?
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Re: GA 13 - Rudolf Steiner's "Secret Science in Outline"

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Federica wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2024 12:40 pm Thanks Ashvin. Yes, I saw that. For my part, for the most interesting looking speeches, including Segall's and Thoresen's, I won't be able to make it on Sunday, I won't be home. Any other particular speaker you know/recommend?

The only other one I know is Ashton, who you are of course familiar with as well. I figure that I can be logged in while doing work or other things on the computer, and if a presentation starts to sound interesting, I can pay more attention :) Although for MS I will try to remain attentive throughout.
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