Federica wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 12:32 pm The most in authority of the three - Roland R. Griffiths - was a professor in pharmacology of hallucinogens, himself a psychedelic user, as he describes (no bias?) and, a practitioner of no-self meditation, convinced that, quote-unquote, “thoughts are transient appearances of mind you needn’t identify with”. So, on the one hand, you criticize the no-self philosophy extensively (rightly so), and on the other, you are perfectly fine to utilize their philosophy, methods, and conclusions
This is incoherent. Why would we ignore research results simply because the author happens to hold a certain philosophical standpoint? In that case, we should ignore practically everything from modern scientific research since most of the scientists are philosophical materialists by default.
Besides that, as we have discussed numerous times on the forum, no-self and no-thought practices do in fact lead us beyond standard intellectual gestures and toward the threshold of spiritual reality. You were the one on the other thread emphasizing how we need to de-identify from verbal thinking, and this is true when understood in the proper context. I don't criticize these practices in some superficial and blanket way, as something to be shunned and avoided, or something that we can never learn from. I want to deeply understand their possibilities and limitations in the context of modern initiation and its tasks for humanity. They point to deeper insights into our soul-spiritual structure that can certainly be leveraged in service of our higher development, as long as we are willing to put in the imaginative effort to separate the wheat from the chaff on a case-by-case basis.
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Perhaps, you could believe that I wanted to disprove these different epistemological points of view. I have shown what they lead to, but do not understand this as a disproof of the different points of view. The theosophist knows no disproof. He does not position himself only on one point of view in philosophy. Those who have dedicated themselves to a philosophical system believe that this is the absolutely right one. Thus we can see fighting Schopenhauer, Hartmann, the Hegelians and the Kantians from this point of view. However, this can never be the point of view of the theosophist. The theosophist sees it differently. On the whole, there is for him also no quarrel of the different religious systems, because he realises that a core of truth forms the basis of each of them and that the quarrel of the Buddhists, the Muslims and the Christians is not justified. The theosophist also knows that in every philosophical system a core of knowledge is that in every system, so to speak, a level of human knowledge is hidden.
It cannot be a matter of disproving Kant or Schopenhauer. Who strives fairly can be mistaken, but the next best cannot simply come to disprove them. It must be clear to us that all these spirits strove for truth from their point of view, and that we find just the core of truth in the different philosophical systems. That is why it cannot be a matter for us who is right or who is wrong. Who positions himself firmly on his own point of view and then compares the points of view with each other and says that he can accept only this or that, is in terms of philosophical knowledge on the same point of view as a stamp collector. The loftiest recogniser has not even ascended the highest summit of insight. Each of us is on the ladder of development. Even the loftiest human being cannot recognise anything absolute of truth, of the world spirit. If we have climbed up a higher level of knowledge, we also have a relative judgment only which always increases, if we have climbed up an even higher summit.
If we have understood the foundations of the theosophical system, it appears to us as arrogance to speak about a philosopher if we cannot position ourselves for a test on his point of view, so that we can also prove the truth of his thoughts like he may do this himself. One can always be mistaken, but one may not position himself sophistically on the point of view that it is impossible to have an overview of another standpoint.