I like empirical approach very much. Very scientific! Starting investigation from sight, the visual sense of the "external" is already a (sub?)conscious choice. There is no guarantees that conclusions would be the same if we don't start from sight (which reading invites to do) but instead and also from closing our eyes (or if possible, doing the exercise in a sense-deprivation tank). Or, that the closed-eyed exercise would be same awake, sleep or in-between.Cleric K wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:04 pm There're more things to be discovered if we investigate even more closely the thinking process but I'll stop here. So far the goal was to elucidate the intimate thinking process and to show that we are in position at any point to determine if our thinking deals with concepts and ideas that have been found within the given or we are juggling abstractly with thoughts that we have ourselves constructed and are now being overlaid over the given.
When I stop writing and attending visual sense and language production, I can attend bodily awareness more fully. Body sense and visual image of body don't match 100% or even close. I can't see how I feel - maybe others can. Touch, like joining hands together, feels and seems like a joint of visual and body sense.