He is talking about "meaning" as fundamental over and over again. That is idea not mere experience.
Curt Jaimungal announces a 3 way conversation between himself, Hoffman, and Kastrup is coming!
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"A secret law contrives,
To give time symmetry:
There is, within our lives,
An exact mystery."
To give time symmetry:
There is, within our lives,
An exact mystery."
Re: Curt Jaimungal announces a 3 way conversation between himself, Hoffman, and Kastrup is coming!
oh sure, there are meanings as ideas, they are talking about higher and deeper meanings and their importance in our life. But he never said that they are "fundamental" in any "ontic" sense, nether he said that there is such thing as "universal meaning"
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Re: Curt Jaimungal announces a 3 way conversation between himself, Hoffman, and Kastrup is coming!
We've been through this before, as has Scott, clearly to no avail, so it seems we're not going to get beyond our different ideas of what idealism entails, and I see no point in going through it all again, just out of the joy of arguing.
Here out of instinct or grace we seek
soulmates in these galleries of hieroglyph and glass,
where mutual longings and sufferings of love
are laid bare in transfigured exhibition of our hearts,
we who crave deep secrets and mysteries,
as elusive as the avatars of our dreams.
soulmates in these galleries of hieroglyph and glass,
where mutual longings and sufferings of love
are laid bare in transfigured exhibition of our hearts,
we who crave deep secrets and mysteries,
as elusive as the avatars of our dreams.
Re: Curt Jaimungal announces a 3 way conversation between himself, Hoffman, and Kastrup is coming!
ok, last argument: how one idea (the idea of experience) can experience another idea (idea of an apple)? An idea cannot experience anything, any idea is what IS experienced (while not being separate from its experiencing)
"Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kanzas anymore" Dorothy
Re: Curt Jaimungal announces a 3 way conversation between himself, Hoffman, and Kastrup is coming!
Yes, he did say meaning is fundamental. They were discussing ontology and the "meaning crisis" when he said it. Sorry but BK is not aligned with you on this one, which of course does not mean you are wrong, but simply that he disagrees.
"A secret law contrives,
To give time symmetry:
There is, within our lives,
An exact mystery."
To give time symmetry:
There is, within our lives,
An exact mystery."
Re: Curt Jaimungal announces a 3 way conversation between himself, Hoffman, and Kastrup is coming!
I would also point out BK liked and retweeted the essay on Incarnating the Christ, which he does not do for everything I send his way, so he is not really aligned with you on that one either.
"A secret law contrives,
To give time symmetry:
There is, within our lives,
An exact mystery."
To give time symmetry:
There is, within our lives,
An exact mystery."
Re: Curt Jaimungal announces a 3 way conversation between himself, Hoffman, and Kastrup is coming!
May be I missed that. If ontology can solve the meaning crisis, that does not mean that the meaning is ontological. It means that a better ontology can bring better meanings to us. But anyway, if you can find any BK's quote where he states that the meaning is ontically fundamental, that would definitely help
"Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kanzas anymore" Dorothy
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BK is now saying that subject combination problem makes panpsychism fundamentally incoherent. Which means he does accept that the subject combination problem is an argument/criterium that can make an ontology incoherent.
"Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kanzas anymore" Dorothy
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BK states that intentionality is and emergent functionality not immanent to MAL. John says that such position runs into the "Chinese room" problem
"Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kanzas anymore" Dorothy
Re: Curt Jaimungal announces a 3 way conversation between himself, Hoffman, and Kastrup is coming!
Go to 1:40 timestamp of "Meaning and Ontology" - BK discusses Schopenhauer's criticism of Kantian epistemology and then goes into a discussion of whether depth psychology can address the absence of meaning, i.e. the fundamental issue of our day, without also discussing ontology. He says, "either meaning is really there, or my giving meaning to things is self-deception" and asks, "do you think we can solve the meaning crisis without addressing ontology head on?"Eugene I wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 11:27 pmMay be I missed that. If ontology can solve the meaning crisis, that does not mean that the meaning is ontological. It means that a better ontology can bring better meanings to us. But anyway, if you can find any BK's quote where he states that the meaning is ontically fundamental, that would definitely help
"A secret law contrives,
To give time symmetry:
There is, within our lives,
An exact mystery."
To give time symmetry:
There is, within our lives,
An exact mystery."