But that simply isn't true, no matter how much we feel "addition" i.e. "integration" is "oppressive" in some manner. Yes, it imparts great responsibility for the "sins of the world" so to speak. And it is natural to feel that as being an oppressive concept until it is internalized into alignment with our willing and feeling via our thinking.SanteriSatama wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:12 amBut I'm not talking about formalism only, who is just another player in the drama, who has the role of the Deceiver / Heyoka. Much more about intuitionist ontology of math, ie. actual math-idea beings in idealist ontology and their perspectives and desires. Perspectival multinaturalism of math, animistic animation of theology of math-ideas. Process philosophical intuitionist mathematics.AshvinP wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:44 am I think you may have missed the bolded word in your response.
Beyond that, you are missing the fact that mathematic symbols are, by definition, abstractions of an underlying Reality. When you think of a mathematical object like "triangle" you are directly perceiving-knowing the real "triangle" concept, but as soon as you incorporate it into a formal mathematical system it has become an abstraction. Cleric is not speaking of abstracted "perspectives of MAL", but the actual perspectives of idea-beings who do not consciously decide to fragment their own perspectives into parts. I know your mathematical knowledge is much superior to mine, but I still feel confident in the above basic points.
In the 'Theology of Arithmetic' (lending the title of the neoplatonic book) the idea of Metacognitive One is by implied definitions the discussions on this forum a Will, and so are his children, disassociated prime numbers, with their additive self-definition. Beyond field of rational numbers (which in their reduced forms are intersubjective coprimes), division starts to break up pretty fast when trying to extend number theory to new spheres, informing that division is the Other of addition. So, there's a kind of archetypal war and drama going on between addition and division.
As an earthly vessel, I don't have the full story, only glimpses of the heavenly war. But the very idea that there could be a full story comes from the idea of One Ring to rule them all, which as such is a highly competitive idea and erisian apple and source of war.
In the normative academic definition of Ring, it's defined by addition only and division does not really exist for it. It's a top down definition of reductionistic bottom-up addition-addiction. Quantitative more more more...!!! Worship of metacognitive One is for subjects of Sauron, the dead god of Nietzche. Said with my heartfelt sympathy for him and his decision to dissolve and become divided.
In our foundational war against reduction and reduction to addition only, we say that less quantitative addition can be more and better quality, e.g. division of diets into exquisite tastes instead of trying to devour All.
With the latter, we see that it is only lack of integration which gives rise to suffering and malevolence against our true Self. One can only desire to harm others when they are not deeply understood as fellow perspectives of the "Metacognitive One" (that is a terrible label IMO but we can go with it).
But even more important is the question of what is actually occurring. There is no perspective within MAL which can be said to consciously desire to fragment its own perspective. This can be said to happen only relative to another perspective viewing only the surface level events of the fragmented perspective. Your perspective which reasons through the connection between math symbols and underlying Reality is itself an integrating experience.