Philosophical Speculations

Doesn't physics as you know it take the idea of number, quantifier as such, as the absolute metric, the ontology of measurement?

AshvinP wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:21 am

Starbuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:06 pm Bottom line seems to be character types. Some of us get energised by being popular and accepted, some get energised by being a contrarian and outlier.

If you removed the emotional aspect and it just came down to sober rationality, I suspect some form of idealism would prevail.

Jung generally agreed and identified the fundamental types as extroversion/introversion (Erich Neumann called striking the proper balance "centroversion"):

"Each person seems to be energized more by either the external world (extraversion) or the internal world (introversion)."

Not sure about the idea of a 'proper' balance on an individual basis. Within a social system thought I think it is vital to have a healthy expression of both. Not sure that's the case in our era!

Starbuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:05 pm

AshvinP wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:21 am

Starbuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:06 pm Bottom line seems to be character types. Some of us get energised by being popular and accepted, some get energised by being a contrarian and outlier.

If you removed the emotional aspect and it just came down to sober rationality, I suspect some form of idealism would prevail.

Jung generally agreed and identified the fundamental types as extroversion/introversion (Erich Neumann called striking the proper balance "centroversion"):

"Each person seems to be energized more by either the external world (extraversion) or the internal world (introversion)."

Not sure about the idea of a 'proper' balance on an individual basis. Within a social system thought I think it is vital to have a healthy expression of both. Not sure that's the case in our era!

The diversity of types across individuals does provide the means for a social system to balance out, but we can hardly imagine what the social system would look like if all individuals within it were to become balanced as well. Perhaps something akin to the Kingdom of God on Earth as it is in Heaven.

AshvinP wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:02 pm

Starbuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:05 pm

AshvinP wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:21 am

Jung generally agreed and identified the fundamental types as extroversion/introversion (Erich Neumann called striking the proper balance "centroversion"):

"Each person seems to be energized more by either the external world (extraversion) or the internal world (introversion)."

Not sure about the idea of a 'proper' balance on an individual basis. Within a social system thought I think it is vital to have a healthy expression of both. Not sure that's the case in our era!

The diversity of types across individuals does provide the means for a social system to balance out, but we can hardly imagine what the social system would look like if all individuals within it were to become balanced as well. Perhaps something akin to the Kingdom of God on Earth as it is in Heaven.

Love the idea of Kingdom of the balanced on Earth,
but I also have a thing for the so called crackpots - Nicola Tesla etc.

Typically the path to idealism is through negation. Sherlock Holmes: "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." Focus on attacking physicalism instead of evangelizing idealism as the solution. Point out how strong emergence always results in a question-begging non sequitur, and illusionism isn't even a joke. Goff's recent article about physicalism consensually among experts being a dead end might be helpful.