SanteriSatama wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 7:12 pm
Cleric K wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:00 am
I speak of the same spirits that you mention. The difference is that, from what I see from you and Lou, it seems that the path of the Heart consists in flowing with
whatever flows out of the heart, which is connected with the spirits. It's believed that if we simply let everything flow from there it will somehow be 'good'. That this is not so, is glaringly obvious even from the most superficial survey on the facts.
Oh, no, not everything that flows in and out is good, in the relative sense. With attached love comes also all the hells of fear, hate, jealousy etc. The "old master" grade spirits can also have their quarrels and jealousies, putting each other down to elevate their own prestige. And what properties they manifest in various situations reflects your own path, what lessons your spirit is in the quest of learning. Also, empathy without skillful action can crush you, if all empathy barriers are removed and all the pain in the world is let in without ability to deal with that in skillful manner. Too bad "skillful action" doesn't seem to be anything definable, only learned in practice and trials of life.
When speaking of balance, it needs to be understood that we (I suppose Lou agrees) mean always a
moving balance, very multidimensional balance, which can't be reduced to any static geometric metaphor. When mind tries grasp the balance into an image, there's always something beyond imagination, and heart will tell that time will tell. And in due time, time often tells in a glorious moment of everything 'clicking', which shows a long past in whole new light which changes history.
What you call 'Eastern thought' vs. 'West' is two strands of
Indo-European/Indo-Aryan thought and experience having their mutual spiritual quarrel. Classical Greek and Sanskrit are linguistically very close, and thought thinks within confines of language, while also trying to break those confines and think further and beyond. Speaking only one language, thinking only in one language, is a major handicap for the process of thinking, but nothing is absolute.
The Escapist and the Activist are symbolically associated with "East" and "West" in the internal dialogue of Indo-European/Indo-Aryan thought-experience. Indeed, what does it benefit our compassion and empathy, if a single ego-mechanism is released for good in Moksha, and manages to escape the frustration of Karma, leaving others behind to rot in their suffering? And, what does it benefit to seed and grow new Universes, if you feel you have seen and felt enough of those? Both sides of the argument have their subjective point of view, as they continue their argument inside a mind. There are many other cultures and languages, which can share similar questions to various degrees, and have have their own questions and views. And much exchange and dialogue between languages and their spirits.
Before we speak of 'path of the Heart' we must understand what the mind is and what the heart is. The mind didn't led the colonial expansion after some careful calculations and simulations that showed that this is the best approach. The mind has always been in service of the heart. The heart desires for power, for pleasure, for domination - all these are feelings, not thoughts. The mind only uses its creativity to satisfy the desires of the heart. And if this is not understood today it's partially because of the completely devastated cognitive abilities of modern man, thanks to spurious philosophical and spiritual teachings that deify and worship contradiction, irrationality, chaos, mindlessness, confusion, ignorance, inexplicability.
Not just heart and mind, really. Also "
guts" (In Finnish:
sisu). Something to do with the strength that arises from from being rooted, grounded, attached. Of course such willpower can have also it's negative aspects, and heart is where sisu/guts and mind meet and mix. Mental processes play their role in balancing guts, heart and mind, but at ground, it's empirical process of life experience. Colonialism is by definition something up-rooted, eradicated and eradicating, more ethereal than earthy. It's detached from Luonto, the spiritual nature-connection, the source of sisu. Yet, there can be a greater purpose to the whole process, spiritual growth to "Global is the new Local", through all this hardship. A new sisu starting to grow and strengthen if and when a new global level is formed and starts to root.
Let all be like children and enjoy the playground of the Earth. Really? And what have we been doing so far? Does the indiscriminate following of the heart (and the spirits working there) guarantee that two kids won't reach for the same toy at the same time? Does it guarantee that one of them will give way? Does it guarantee that kids won't begin to gather into groups as they find that the hearts of some kids desire things incompatible with others? If all this is thought thoroughly we'll see that we'll be tracing exactly the history of humanity on Earth.
When someone welcomes a new child to the world, that does not mean that the spirit who welcomes is a child. When a gardener nurtures a seed and a sprout, that does not mean that the gardener is a plant. These are complementary relations, not identities.
No. I don't think there are any guarantees, in the sense of mechanistic determinism. What fun could there be with such, what challenges and learning?
And if there's one thing that our human experience has thought us so far it should be that if we are ever to find peace and harmony we'll have to understand, to penetrate with full awareness into the heart-world, so that we can discriminate the spiritual sources of the heart's desires and give way to these that lead to peace, harmony and love.
Aho.
There was a moment of great beauty and importance in Standing Rock, when settler veterans dressed in Blue Coats presented their sincere apology to an Elder representing the Red Path. The Elder responded with first uttering: "World peace! World peace! World peace!". This is our commitment, the direction of our sisu, through all our pains of spiritual growth.
If it is alright with your mind and heart, please accept the gift of sisu, these directions of where and how to look for it. There may come times for a great need for it.