AshvinP wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 7:20 pm
Federica wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 6:20 pm
Ashvin,
Because of the attachment you have many times demonstrated to your preconceived ideas about me, which prevents you from paying unprejudiced attention to my written words, you are starting to sound like that thing.
One last time: I don't deny that we need to realize and cure the linguistic deception by strengthening our spiritual activity and purifying our soul - what else could we do. I have said and repeated that I don’t want to be misunderstood, and that the geniuses of language are not themselves perverted. Why are you iteratively ignoring that? To be sure, the Ahrimanic tendencies operate within our own souls. However, the work to be done in the area of language starts with realizing how the Ahrimanic deception is seamlessly deceiving us
THROUGH language. Have you noticed this preposition in my last post to Cleric, and above?
Listen: when you read the following: “Our thoughts have become dead precipitations, shadowy thought-pictures, and that’s how it’s happened, and how it works....” etcetera, you don’t get pissed off and say: “The thoughts are only a symptom, stop accusing the thoughts, it’s in your etched soul pathways, desires, likes, dislikes, egoistic habits”, right? No you don't.
Instead, you are interested in how it happened, and you don't find it preposterous and myopic to discuss it. Right. Now, you should react in the same way here. We definitely need to work on ourselves. But if we don’t see what is happening to our linguistic habits in these times - today - and do nothing about it,
they will remain like a dark flack on the soul.
Yes, we (Cleric and myself) are interested in how it happened, but you seem to only be interested in describing theoretical propositions about "how" it happens and defending them at all costs. The sub-cycle is pure abstract theory, supported by only the fact that you think mostly in words and have a hard time penetrating the inner gestures of those words (as we all do, to begin with). Nowhere in your posts, such as
this one, is there any emphasis on
your soul tendencies which prevent you from properly feeling the life and meaning behind the words, there are only various combinations of words that are aimed at blaming the word sequences themselves, with the occasional disclaimer absolving the 'genius of language'. This is why I specifically pointed attention as follows:
We often say things like, “I don’t believe in that outlook”, “I don’t feel that resentment”, “I don’t have a problem with this expectation”, “I don’t really desire those sensuous things”, and so on. Such comments reflect how we so often confuse our mental pictures floating at the surface of our consciousness for the more encompassing yet invisible curvatures which steer them from within the shadowy depths
This tendency is so bad that we often convince ourselves at the surface of the exact opposite of what is stirring within the soul depths. Hence the saying, “the lady doth protest too much”. At a more analytical level, psychologists have intuited the intellectual ‘mechanisms’ of projection and compensation as effects of this modern tendency, i.e. we continuously project our unconscious soul tendencies onto the content of our experience and try to ‘compensate’ for those tendencies by disclaiming them at the intellectual scale. It is like we are continually building things up with one arm and then tearing them down with the other - we instinctively feel motivated to transform some unhealthy tendencies but continually self-sabotage our efforts with theoretical intellectual convictions.
You need to face the reality that, if you concretely understood what we are saying about the nature of language and the soul tendencies, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Over and over again, your posts display flawed reasoning and places attention on some special Ahrimanic force that works in language specifically, and you imagine you are doing everyone a favor by calling attention to this hidden force in language. No amount of disclaiming that at the intellectual scale will deal with the underlying issue.
You can't keep ignoring the meaningful feedback that is given to you by the higher worlds via this forum, acting as if everyone is misunderstanding you and interpreting your words with nefarious motives.These words are clear:
It is the subtle Ahrimanic deception that makes us so easily sink below attentive consciousness, when we let the LaaS character of language, very smoothly and comfortably, take the upper hand and self-generate itself through our head, mouth and hands... The nature of the verbal tokens does prevent us from penetrating the flow of our experiences with creative power. At the very least, it puts big spanners in the works.
And they simply reiterate what you have been saying in every single post. This is an exact replica of our discussions with Eugene where, post after post, he would reveal that he was failing to understand higher cognition, but every time this was mentioned, he would act shocked that we couldn't see he was "agreeing" with us. If this was happening with someone else, you would have no problem spotting it, but it's happening with you. These erroneous propositions and fixations don't arise in a vacuum, just like the daily cycle proposition, this one is pointing to deeper soul factors which are being avoided, and as usual, the content of the proposition itself acts as a convenient excuse to avoid the inner work.
The only question is whether you are willing to renounce the theorizing and focus on how to freely transform this situation for yourself, or rather imagine it applies equally to everyone (except Masters and Initiates) and is a hard limit to language that evaporates when you "concentrate on an image" (when it most certainly doesn't).
We also don’t need to “pick out specific words or phrases and substitute them with other ones, we don't need to ban certain words, we don't need to feel like certain words or grammars are trapping us, imprisoning us, and so on.”
Please stop this trick (and all the other tricks as well, please). I never suggested that we need to do anything similar. And if you have understood from my posts that I suggest to pick out specific words and phrases and replace them, it must be because your etched soul pathways hold you back in a stereotyped idea about me that wins you above and beyond the reality of what I am saying. Yes, we need to go to the level of words, grammar and structure. Steiner does that a million times, whenever he discusses these questions. But not because we need to pick out and substitute specific words. It's only because the words and the structure are the reality of language, and we need to approach that reality if we don't want it to remain abstract. And with this, I am done with this topic.
Anyone can look back through your posts on this forum and see how much this obsession with manipulating language rules over your thinking. It is not a "stereotype" if it has been the consistent theme of your posts for months. How can we forget the whole "epistemology" episode? It's simply that, with these last posts, you have provided more insight into
why your thinking keeps moving in this direction, based on theoretical propositions you have become invested in maintaining.