Gramsci and idealism

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Lou Gold wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:36 pm In a gnarly uncertain crisis like a global pandemic, where do you think "the most practical attention/intention should be focused" and how?
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SanteriSatama wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:34 pm
Lou Gold wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:36 pm In a gnarly uncertain crisis like a global pandemic, where do you think "the most practical attention/intention should be focused" and how?
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Soul_of_Shu wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:54 pm
Lou Gold wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:36 pmMeanwhile, I'm not sure if we actually "have very different ideas of where the most practical attention/intention should be focused." In a gnarly uncertain crisis like a global pandemic, where do you think "the most practical attention/intention should be focused" and how?

For this work-in-progress psyche it's being focused, as best one can, on being a clear and present example of what sensibilities a counter-materialist paradigm might engender, as opposed to being focused on repeatedly pointing at and bemoaning, to no avail, the many dysfunctional examples of what the current deprived paradigm has engendered.
I think my point is that they can arise as easily from Idealism as from Materialism. Frankly, I don't buy the major blame formulation of the DEPRIVED MATERIALIST PARADIGM and conditionally I prefer the generous-to-possibility stance of idealism. Perhaps either/or is the ontic dilemma of anything spoken?
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Lou Gold wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:06 pmI think my point is that they can arise as easily from Idealism as from Materialism.

I suppose to find out, we'll have to wait for a contemporary stage-specific paradigm based in the primacy of Consciousness, with some spiritual efficacy on a collective scale, to displace the current deprived one, should that ever come to pass.
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Soul_of_Shu wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:30 pm
Lou Gold wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:06 pmI think my point is that they can arise as easily from Idealism as from Materialism.

I suppose to find out, we'll have to wait for a contemporary stage-specific paradigm based in the primacy of Consciousness, with some spiritual efficacy on a collective scale, to displace the current deprived one, should that ever come to pass.
Perhaps past is not prologue as with previous paradigm shifts? Maybe a singularity?
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Lou Gold wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:50 pm "More Mother" I say.
S-mother wants the the bad cop? Still more of the bad cop?

By more Mother, you mean less of what?

As we were told, Mother is also a young child, a little girl exploring all sorts of emotions and their manifestations in her endless curiosity.

"More" takes also another meaning when you watch and listen to a little girl having her "I want! I want! I want!" tantrum. No matter what the current media gaslighting paints, boys are generally easier to raise.

People may think of geeks and their games as they do, but when gamers build and play their digital matrix manifestations of a new and evolving form of art, the game avatars don't get really hurt. Not like we do, these sentient manifestations in the feeling body of Mother. Sure, it is theoretically possible to extend tulpa level of sentient independence also to digital avatars, but there are also deep ethical reasons not to.

So, think very care-fully, do you really want to extend "more Mother" also in that direction of masculine creativity and exploration?
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SanteriSatama wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:43 pm
Lou Gold wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:50 pm "More Mother" I say.
S-mother wants the the bad cop? Still more of the bad cop?

By more Mother, you mean less of what?

As we were told, Mother is also a young child, a little girl exploring all sorts of emotions and their manifestations in her endless curiosity.

"More" takes also another meaning when you watch and listen to a little girl having her "I want! I want! I want!" tantrum. No matter what the current media gaslighting paints, boys are generally easier to raise.

People may think of geeks and their games as they do, but when gamers build and play their digital matrix manifestations of a new and evolving form of art, the game avatars don't get really hurt. Not like we do, these sentient manifestations in the feeling body of Mother. Sure, it is theoretically possible to extend tulpa level of sentient independence also to digital avatars, but there are also deep ethical reasons not to.

So, think very care-fully, do you really want to extend "more Mother" also in that direction of masculine creativity and exploration?
Interesting, I read LA's piece as irony. But, no matter what, I love her creative genius. Very special.
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Lou Gold wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:15 pmPerhaps past is not prologue as with previous paradigm shifts? Maybe a singularity?

Well, not surprisingly, we've been down this road before, have we not? And as I've said before, having no crystal ball, I can only offer a story, about which you would likely find something to argue over, given your contrarian nature. Anyway, you're the story-teller, so perhaps best to go with what resonates well with you. Who am I to argue with it? :D
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Lou Gold wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:49 pm Interesting, I read LA's piece as irony.
Huh???

I have no idea what you are referring to.
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SanteriSatama wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 8:06 pm
Lou Gold wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:49 pm Interesting, I read LA's piece as irony.
Huh???

I have no idea what you are referring to.
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