Re: why denying the existence of The Light and The Tunnel among academia?
Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 5:02 pm
For the record, Greyson's own compelling initial anecdotal account, as a young intern first encountering a patient's veridical 'OBE'—at that time taking physicalism for granted by default—begins with him having a meal in the hospital cafeteria, and spilling some sauce on his tie, which he covers up by buttoning up his lab coat due to feeling embarrassed by it. Afterwards he then goes to check in on a patient in the ICU for the first time who he finds comatose and unresponsive. From there he goes to meet the patient's roommate in the waiting room, where they have a conversation, during which, due to the room being very hot, he reluctantly opens his lab coat, exposing the embarrassing stain on the tie. The next day he returns to check in on the patient again, who is now awake and responsive, and no sooner does he introduce himself, the patient immediately interrupts to say, "I know who you are. I saw you talking to my roommate yesterday" (the roommate having gone home, and not yet returned, as no visitors were allowed in the ICU) and proceeds to recount precise details of the conversation, describing the furniture in the room, the location of a floor fan in relation to where Greyson was sitting, and most intriguingly of all, mentioning the stain on his tie. Greyson, after initially dismissing this event has having to have some plausible, rational explanation that would fit his physicalist model, eventually has to concede that whatever the explanation might be, the physicalist medical model he had taken for granted could not account for it, starting him on further investigation into similar accounts over many decades.tjssailor wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 1:00 pm In his book "After" Bruce Greyson goes into detail about cases with veridical aspects including a man who saw his own body with chest open and his doctor making strange unexpected motions that were later verified. Bruce had his own experience with veridical elements early in his career.