Philosophical Speculations

Cleric K wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 11:25 am

Lou Gold wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 9:34 am Of course, Cleric. Using human language and metaphors represents the state of human consciousness and not God consciousness, Why belabor that a representation such as a dashboard is a representation? The more aware statement applying to both the questions as formulated and the answers given would be "Be still and know I am that I am."

Do you think it is possible to know in first-person experiential way, more of God's consciousness and the way living beings indeed come to be? And if yes, do you think that this knowledge has significance not simply for satisfaction of our intellectual curiosity but as an important stage of realizing what it means to be human not only in Earthly but in Cosmic sense? Living knowledge which may hold the keys to all the problems that plague our life in representations?

Lou Gold wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 11:43 am Yes. Yes. Yes.

Lou Gold wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 3:12 pm Great Cleric. I would add that I'm in a great school making my study and learning many lessons. It's an exciting and rewarding moment in my process, quite beyond my expectations. I feel quite happy with my process. Two days ago I made a little report in a post on social media...

MY SUPER DAY (12 April 2023)

Today, for the first time in five months, I was outside, feet on the ground, sun on my face, breeze on my skin and back on the road with MOnique Bridges navigating my boat. Praise and gratitude to Santo Daime, the Doctrine of Jesus Christ and the Queen of the Forest, the Great Mysteriousness and the prayers and support of loving friends. My days may be limited but I am a very happy camper.

Stranger wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 5:30 pm

AshvinP wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 2:27 pm The astral vehicle is manifested through the combined work of the hierarchies (including humans) which unfolded over many incarnations, consisting in the perfection of our WFT soul-capacities accomplished while on Earth. It isn't something we will into existence before birth like a watchmaker who has the idea of a watch and mechanically manifests it to use and discard before manifesting another one (or deciding not to manifest it anymore). What is embedded in your astral vehicle now is the result of that entire evolutionary process which will continue after your current incarnation - your soul-work right now will feedback into the quality of your next astral vehicle. At our current stage, humans have the responsibility of attaining immortality (continuity of consciousness) for the astral body through our gradually perfected spiritual activity.

Yes, that's how it works, it is a collective manifestation, and the higher is the dimensional level of the body structure, the more it is shaped by our individual manifestation. Manifestation is a skill that we need to learn as we develop.

Federica wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 4:09 pm Lou, that hat is too tight for your delicate forehead, get a softer or larger one, so you won't get the marks

AshvinP wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 3:58 pm In response to the last few posts here, I think it has become clear both you and Lou are thinking through issues of Divine manifestation with a specific tendency which Cleric has already explained. So Cleric asked the bear question to further hone in on this tendency. Lou offered an answer which further confirmed the tendency and then decided to stop discussing it further. What about you? You spoke of the willingness to learn before. Do you have the thirst to learn more of how we can loosen the intellectual constraints which lead us to project our current experience of consciousness (even in higher states) across the entire Cosmic gradient and gradually accustom ourselves to new habits of thinking?

Stranger wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 4:41 pm

AshvinP wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 3:58 pm In response to the last few posts here, I think it has become clear both you and Lou are thinking through issues of Divine manifestation with a specific tendency which Cleric has already explained. So Cleric asked the bear question to further hone in on this tendency. Lou offered an answer which further confirmed the tendency and then decided to stop discussing it further. What about you? You spoke of the willingness to learn before. Do you have the thirst to learn more of how we can loosen the intellectual constraints which lead us to project our current experience of consciousness (even in higher states) across the entire Cosmic gradient and gradually accustom ourselves to new habits of thinking?

I do, but I will continue doing it on my own and no longer will be discussing it in these interrogation-style conversations.

AshvinP wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 3:58 pm

Stranger wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 5:30 pm

AshvinP wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 2:27 pm The astral vehicle is manifested through the combined work of the hierarchies (including humans) which unfolded over many incarnations, consisting in the perfection of our WFT soul-capacities accomplished while on Earth. It isn't something we will into existence before birth like a watchmaker who has the idea of a watch and mechanically manifests it to use and discard before manifesting another one (or deciding not to manifest it anymore). What is embedded in your astral vehicle now is the result of that entire evolutionary process which will continue after your current incarnation - your soul-work right now will feedback into the quality of your next astral vehicle. At our current stage, humans have the responsibility of attaining immortality (continuity of consciousness) for the astral body through our gradually perfected spiritual activity.

Yes, that's how it works, it is a collective manifestation, and the higher is the dimensional level of the body structure, the more it is shaped by our individual manifestation. Manifestation is a skill that we need to learn as we develop.

As mentioned before, it is super easy to reach agreement at this level of abstraction. We can read into the terms we are using practically anything and convince ourselves others mean the same thing because they use the same or similar terms. That's why we need to energetically exercise our living thinking force if we want to penetrate to the deeper spheres of meaning and locate the current flaws in our understanding of what consciousness is, which we all have. It is quite possible to locate these flaws and work on refining our understanding if we simply admit this possibility to become more self-aware with lucid thinking. You probably have a lot of familiarity with mathematical thinking in your line of work, and that's what I mean by "lucid" (not the mathematical content, but the clarity of the thought-procedure). This can be done with our inner soul-spirit life as well, except in a way much more imbued with imaginative life.

In response to the last few posts here, I think it has become clear both you and Lou are thinking through issues of Divine manifestation with a specific tendency which Cleric has already explained. So Cleric asked the bear question to further hone in on this tendency. Lou offered an answer which further confirmed the tendency and then decided to stop discussing it further. What about you? You spoke of the willingness to learn before. Do you have the thirst to learn more of how we can loosen the intellectual constraints which lead us to project our current experience of consciousness (even in higher states) across the entire Cosmic gradient and gradually accustom ourselves to new habits of thinking?

Lou offered an answer which further confirmed the tendency and then decided to stop discussing it further.