Philosophical Speculations

findingblanks wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 4:08 am "All evil is untimely good".

Ashvin attributed this to Steiner. Sometimes our moderator gets "upset"/stern when some people don't give the exact lecture and the exact quote. I'm fine with what Ashvin said and don't demand he source it exactly, but I personally would love to see the text if that is a direct quote.

Steiner did make that point quiet a bit. In my recollection he would almost always point out that it was a very old piece of wisdom found in various traditions. Steiner was often very generous in making sure he didn't get credit for ancient ideas. Yes, a very lovely way of remembering the inherent balancing act that is life. Since much of this is new to Ashvin, my suspicion is that for Ashvin Steiner was the first person who made this general point about evil being an imbalance that is necessary for rebalance. Supposedly, 88% of us agree that it is an important idea and an even more important experience.

Steiner wrote:The deep and profound thought here contained is the following: the darkness must be overcome through the Kingdom of Light, through the mingling of the Good with the Evil, in order that the Evil may be redeemed, but not through punishment. The conception underlying this is also that of Theosophy, namely that Evil is only an untimely Good. For example, an excellent piano technique is good, but if the executant wanted to hammer it out on the piano in the concert hall, there it would be evil. That which without any doubt is evil today must have been, in its own time proper place, good.

AshvinP wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 4:23 am

findingblanks wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 4:08 am "All evil is untimely good".

Ashvin attributed this to Steiner. Sometimes our moderator gets "upset"/stern when some people don't give the exact lecture and the exact quote. I'm fine with what Ashvin said and don't demand he source it exactly, but I personally would love to see the text if that is a direct quote.

Steiner did make that point quiet a bit. In my recollection he would almost always point out that it was a very old piece of wisdom found in various traditions. Steiner was often very generous in making sure he didn't get credit for ancient ideas. Yes, a very lovely way of remembering the inherent balancing act that is life. Since much of this is new to Ashvin, my suspicion is that for Ashvin Steiner was the first person who made this general point about evil being an imbalance that is necessary for rebalance. Supposedly, 88% of us agree that it is an important idea and an even more important experience.

Here:

Steiner wrote:The deep and profound thought here contained is the following: the darkness must be overcome through the Kingdom of Light, through the mingling of the Good with the Evil, in order that the Evil may be redeemed, but not through punishment. The conception underlying this is also that of Theosophy, namely that Evil is only an untimely Good. For example, an excellent piano technique is good, but if the executant wanted to hammer it out on the piano in the concert hall, there it would be evil. That which without any doubt is evil today must have been, in its own time proper place, good.

Obviously Steiner did not invent the ideal meaning. That can only be concluded from the atomized egoic perspective which feels ideas are "invented" by personal agencies. Maybe he wasn't the first to express that shared ideation with that combination of word-symbols either... Lou asked me where I sourced it from and I told him with no unnecessary psycho-cryptology involved

I think your bold interpretation only holds from the fragmented physical perspective (which is generally what I live with most of the time now as well). From the higher spiritual perspective, we could say there is no such thing as untimely imbalance (evil). As our Time-consciousness expands to encompass more and more of the interwoven spiritual relations, what formerly appeared as an imbalance is actually perceived to be a balance (good), although we may have to penetrate through several alternating 'layers' of imbalance-balance. That is the sublime beauty of our spiritual activity - it can lift us up to perceive a perspective higher than its own current one, which discerns the Unity in the multiplicity. That is how ever-evolving spiritual beings progressively redeem the "evil" from their fragmented state.

findingblanks wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 4:08 am "All evil is untimely good".

Ashvin attributed this to Steiner. Sometimes our moderator gets "upset"/stern when some people don't give the exact lecture and the exact quote.

Mark Tetzner wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 3:23 am Dr. Shu, JW is trolling in the comment-section of the video as well. He says they are "two mediocre people".
I think he is watching BK all day or something. I am wondering where he is coming from when he thinks
he is the only one with substance.

Mark wrote:What does fallability mean in this context?

Mark Tetzner wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 3:05 pm What does fallability mean in this context?

Ben Iscatus wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 3:14 pm

Mark wrote:What does fallability mean in this context?

It means you fall down a lot. It's a hierarchical thing. You start up high, you gradually lose height, then you hit rock bottom. Like this joke...