Essay: Symphony of Minds

[Lou Gold]

So I was wondering if a text-based forum biased our discussions and asked Google "Where did the philosophers debate in the time of Plato?"
It answered, "The palaistra was a wrestling school that was used as the scene for Plato's Euthydemus. It served three functions: a training area, an area for cult activity, and a meeting place for philosophical discussion."

[Cleric K]

Cleric,

Why does Peter deunov not speak about spiritual activity in the way steiner or you do it?

Is he not aware of the spiritual activity that gives rise to tought images, or is it like you said that it is too rooted in the mission or impulses they try to embodie?

He was certainly aware. Consider this exercise and its explanations by BD:



You'll see that things are completely in line. It's just that through the path of PoF these same ideas are reached more gradually, through transformation of our thinking being. On the other hand, BD gives them more like seeds that prove their value when applied in all aspects of life.

Another question, the (thinking) process you described in the essay as an actual world process, is only known intuitive as something which requires a certain struggle.
Is it that at some point that on can lives in this activity, without the reflection in images or anything else?
Because I only feel active and then there are finished thoughts (at least in pure thinking).

Will human beings someday awaken to a new reflection of one's activity, like someone who learns to think pictorial?

Yes, the future stages of evolution, after the Jupiter stage are progressively ideal. This doesn't mean that they are contentless but only that the Spirit doesn't need to know reality by holding on to the imaginative forms. Instead, reality is known by uniting with the ideal intents that weave the Cosmos.

[Lou Gold]

Cleric,

Why does Peter deunov not speak about spiritual activity in the way steiner or you do it?

Is he not aware of the spiritual activity that gives rise to tought images, or is it like you said that it is too rooted in the mission or impulses they try to embodie?

He was certainly aware. Consider this exercise and its explanations by BD:



You'll see that things are completely in line. It's just that through the path of PoF these same ideas are reached more gradually, through transformation of our thinking being. On the other hand, BD gives them more like seeds that prove their value when applied in all aspects of life.

Another question, the (thinking) process you described in the essay as an actual world process, is only known intuitive as something which requires a certain struggle.
Is it that at some point that on can lives in this activity, without the reflection in images or anything else?
Because I only feel active and then there are finished thoughts (at least in pure thinking).

Will human beings someday awaken to a new reflection of one's activity, like someone who learns to think pictorial?

Yes, the future stages of evolution, after the Jupiter stage are progressively ideal. This doesn't mean that they are contentless but only that the Spirit doesn't need to know reality by holding on to the imaginative forms. Instead, reality is known by uniting with the ideal intents that weave the Cosmos.

So it's not important whether it is performed with 'thinking' or not (or with science or magic or whatever). What matters is whether or not it can be performed.

[Cleric K]

This post is not about the specifics of Cleric's essay, but simply to suggest that the essay is written for those who already understand and 'get' Anthrosophy\Steiner. Cleric's use of 'spiritual activity' and 'thinking' are as elusive today as they were 2 years ago when I first came upon Cleric's writing.
For example: 2 people could have the same thought: "I have $12,000.00 in the bank" For one person this thought could be accompanied by a feeling of confidence and safety, for another person a feeling of dread and anxiety.
One person may desire things, another may desire travel, another may cherish time with family.
I wouldn't muddy or despoil the word 'spiritual' by naming the above differences as differences in 'spiritual activity' - nor would I refer to these differences as differences in 'thinking'.

Lorenzo, try in quiet meditation to multiply two numbers together, entirely in your mind, say 11x27. Even if you can't reach the answer, at least try. Try to feel and observe what you are doing in your inner world in order to approach the answer.

Would you say that the answer just 'appears'? Or you need to do something, to exert yourself mentally? If you say "This is nonsense, there's no doer, it's all the result of the mindless activity of the universe" is there any hope that you'll reach the answer?

[Cleric K]

So it's not important whether it is performed with 'thinking' or not (or with science or magic or whatever). What matters is whether or not it can be performed.

I'm not sure what you're referencing, Lou.

[Lou Gold]

So it's not important whether it is performed with 'thinking' or not (or with science or magic or whatever). What matters is whether or not it can be performed.

I'm not sure what you're referencing, Lou.

"Instead, reality is known by uniting with the ideal intents that weave the Cosmos."

[Cleric K]

So it's not important whether it is performed with 'thinking' or not (or with science or magic or whatever). What matters is whether or not it can be performed.

I'm not sure what you're referencing, Lou.

"Instead, reality is known by uniting with the ideal intents that weave the Cosmos."

Yes, in a way analogous to how you need to unite with the ideal intents of an author if you are to understand why he or she has arranged the glyphs in that particular order.

[Lou Gold]

I'm not sure what you're referencing, Lou.

"Instead, reality is known by uniting with the ideal intents that weave the Cosmos."

Yes, in a way analogous to how you need to unite with the ideal intents of an author if you are to understand why he or she has arranged the glyphs in that particular order.

Communion creates performance.

[Güney27]

Cleric,

Why does Peter deunov not speak about spiritual activity in the way steiner or you do it?

Is he not aware of the spiritual activity that gives rise to tought images, or is it like you said that it is too rooted in the mission or impulses they try to embodie?

He was certainly aware. Consider this exercise and its explanations by BD:



You'll see that things are completely in line. It's just that through the path of PoF these same ideas are reached more gradually, through transformation of our thinking being. On the other hand, BD gives them more like seeds that prove their value when applied in all aspects of life.

Another question, the (thinking) process you described in the essay as an actual world process, is only known intuitive as something which requires a certain struggle.
Is it that at some point that on can lives in this activity, without the reflection in images or anything else?
Because I only feel active and then there are finished thoughts (at least in pure thinking).

Will human beings someday awaken to a new reflection of one's activity, like someone who learns to think pictorial?

Yes, the future stages of evolution, after the Jupiter stage are progressively ideal. This doesn't mean that they are contentless but only that the Spirit doesn't need to know reality by holding on to the imaginative forms. Instead, reality is known by uniting with the ideal intents that weave the Cosmos.

Cleric,
you shared the law of shrinking a couple times in the forum.
Is it to deconstruct certain ideas ( like the subject object split for example) and to experience how our own activity is shaped trough the physical plane?

And is there any specific reason to concentrate at a point in our head?

[lorenzop]

Lorenzo, try in quiet meditation to multiply two numbers together, entirely in your mind, say 11x27. Even if you can't reach the answer, at least try. Try to feel and observe what you are doing in your inner world in order to approach the answer.

Would you say that the answer just 'appears'? Or you need to do something, to exert yourself mentally? If you say "This is nonsense, there's no doer, it's all the result of the mindless activity of the universe" is there any hope that you'll reach the answer?

This question you ask here does not address my point in prior post above. However, to address your question: an analogy - - - A character in a dream is a process of thinking, sensing and perceiving. It would be a misdiagnosis for the dream character to think of itself as an entity, as the thinker. The dream character is not a self, is a localization of the Dreamer.
We do not do the thinking, sensing and perceiving; we are thinking, sensing and perceiving.
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If we grant God with Infinite capacity, if we grant an Agent with Infinite non-ending Will . . . then no finite mind can be spoken of as having a will. Simple geometry/math - an infinite vector overshadows and makes irrelevant any finite vector(s).