Excellent back-and-forth here Cleric. Thanks.Cleric K wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 5:37 pmWell, beef was an exaggeration, I simply addressed your "prejudice" (your own word). When people hear 'mind' it usually equates to intellect, dry and calculating. I believe this is why at first you couldn't see what such a mind could have in common with music/symphony. I agree that the word Mind is not the best. Usually, I don't use it in this way but I decided to experiment. I would rather use something like 'creative spiritual be-ing' but the experience here shows that 'being' is even more loaded with prejudices. So I decided to experiment with a more relatable word 'Mind' (after all, even Bernardo has called it Mind at large, and that contains everything, not only intellect). Clearly, there's no word that fits all tastes and prejudices That's why things have to be explained from more angles such that we don't stumble at the labels but seek the realities that are labeled. I hope the little experiment helped you see that there's always intuitive spiritual activity behind any form of expression - be it physical, mathematical, musical, etc. If you can recognize yourself within this inner spiritual core, which expresses through different lenses, you should also grasp the deeper sense in which 'Mind' was used.
I enjoy the breadth of his approach. And as said, I enjoy how he introspects and shares his inner processes. His spiritual being is presently exploring the Gödel candy shop of musical forms that express various feelings. Time will tell if he'll also find forms that express the Divine intuitive depth of these worlds. It's no secret that most of modern music looks more like combinatorics. Musicians shuffle and reshuffle musical patterns until they say "hm.. this sounds catchy." JC can explore patterns beyond the usual slots that most musicians stay into. He plays with microtones and so on. However, there's also another kind of music that can be compared to a translation of celestial ideal realities to the limited auditory language of music.
Please read this again:
Let me express my prejudice: When something is titled A Symphony of Minds I expect something that is audio or gives me a strong feeling of musicality within. Your graphics work sorta as a visual model (metaphor) but not as a sensual experience for me. I am therefore thrust into an intellectual appreciation more than an experience.
My prejudice was about using a musical metaphor that did not generate a musical feeling within me. The absence thrust me by default toward an inadequate intellectualism. Why did you make it about Mind?
Do you feel JC is missing that there is a kind of music that can be compared to a translation of celestial ideal realities to the limited auditory language of music? How do you know that?
But, yes, there is another kind of celestial music which is why some in the Eastern ways meditate on chanting the OM or a sutra. Or, in the Western tradition, monks explore consciousness with beautiful chants. Do you think they are naive or foolish or unaware or, perhaps, that they simply have other valid paths of exploration?