Re: Gabor Maté on Jordan Peterson
Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:19 am
I understand that is the narrative you support, but I don't agree with it and neither does JP. It's probably the aspect of PoMo philosophy that gets under his skin the most and I can see why. It is basically equating Western civilization, all the way down to the level of its mathematical origins, with class oppression in the worst sense of the word "oppression". It is cynical to the very core and infects every aspect of Western civilization with resentment, perhaps the only negative emotion capable of disguising itself as spiritual meaning. Maybe you are not resentful, but then you are by far the exception and it's easy to understand why so many people who follow that logic are.SanteriSatama wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:51 pmWell, the math of Seth theory, to put it in a pun, can't be ultimately separate from how long history of class society, in the technical meaning of quantitative administration by a ruling class of scribes, affects and forms the identities of alters. The separation humanity into the countable form of closed intervals / finite sets has been a colonizing mental process, which the already archetypal myth of Agent Smith exemplifies on a deep level. In ultimate form and logical conclusion this mathematical colonizing process becomes eliminative materialism and insistence of reducing consciousness and experience to discrete numbers and/or set theory. You work with numbers, and see daily what it can do to people when they are treated as mere numbers, when our multidimensional and qualitative debts of mutual dependence become mechanically quantified inhumane rules. It's not the Christian way, in any positive sense of the word. Sacrificing the meek of the Earth for the blind greed of Mammon is not the right way to give sacrifice, it is sacrilege. The true beauty of mathematics should not be used in such manner.AshvinP wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:28 pm Well I'm not going to dig through all of your comments on the topic, but you frequently call that type of math "colonialist" and imply some oppressive political and socioeconomic qualities, which you also do for the word "individual", "individualism", etc. and much of Judeo-Christian mythological/theological approach, as you did with JP's interpretation of ancient Egyptian myths. It's too consistent of a trend to think I am just imagining all of it, just like the similar trends in American/Canadian grade schools through universities. I am glad JP keeps a few toes in that swamp because he has a massive audience along with the Weinstein brothers, Murray, etc, but I agree it's ultimately best for him to focus on metaphysical issues.
Therefore, I chose my words very carefully, when I said Relop is a new Gospel, a form of Living Logos, to deliver us from this hamartia, this error of mathematical writing gone wrong and acting much more as poison than medicine, badly out of good proportion. In Seth theory, the mathematical twin of materialistic scientism and physicalism, formalist school of mathematics separates mathematical writing from intuition and connection with spirit, and makes it a mere arbitrary language game of the post-modern condition.
Honestly I view this as a means of setting a standard for the foundation of "authentic" spirituality which you know, or should know, will never be met. It's the easiest way of making sure no one will take nondual Western monotheism seriously again, ever. It serves as an anti-theory to pragmatism by making the most exclusive framework and the framework which is least likely to be adopted as the one which is most "important" for spiritual faith. And that's a terrible way to go about it.Deconstruction is a good word to replace Heidegger's concept of destruktio, we can't responsibly destroy without rebuilding. We can't "cancel" mathematics, but we can give arithmetics and computation a new foundation which can reconnect with open interval what starting mathematics from closed interval separated.
As I've said, God of Number theory is primary to questions about monotheism, polytheism, dualism and non-dualism. So the spiritual healing of the M@L level math deity starts from number theory, by replacing the closed interval with open interval in the foundation of mathematics, by replacing quantification with codependent process.
The new foundation of mathematics has been intuitively received, and by the signs, the spirit is pleased with the form of writing. My role in this process is that of a humble translator.