Re: Christianity and Metaphysics - Jordan Peterson interviews Jonathan Pageau
Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:11 pm
All we can go on is JP's body of work. I'm sure you think you have some intuitive grasping/grokking of what he is thinking, or why he is getting emotional when discussing the Jungian approach to Christianity, which is as metaphysically deep as it gets for most people, but I'm sure you also understand why most others will not take your 'intuitions' seriously. Especially those who have put in the time to study what JP lectures about and watched those lectures multiple times.SanteriSatama wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:56 pmPeterson getting raw emotional about synchronicities, and how terrifying they can be (especially in the beginning)... and a commentator asking (rhetorically) "What more could you want from JP?".AshvinP wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:45 pm Thanks, Dana. I'm only 15 min. in and these guys are spot on so far. I have been trying to say the same thing for awhile now about JP. Most people just don't appreciate the precision of his speech when dealing with spiritual issues and the depth of his Jungian psychological approach (and BK's new book makes crystal clear just how metaphysically deep Jung went). That is especially true of fundamentalist types, who take his statements about Christianity to mean he is teetering around acceptance of Christ and simply needs someone to shove him across the finish line. That's not what is going on here at all.
As obnoxious as been-there-done-that comments tend to be, it seems that here that level of honesty is necessary, taking that question seriously and telling what I wish for Jordan. Get over it and move on, Jordan. Face your fears, do your own Jesus trip, take the psychadelics already, heal thyself healer, or what ever transformative experiences are on your path. You don't need belief in Christianity to empirically test these: ask and you shall be qiven, form your question and you shall be answered.
He's not now in a place where he can stagnate and stop evolving and learning. He can take (what I consider) the cowards way, become a worshipping believer or some other kind of sanctuary seeker to live an ordinary life without the terrifying spiritual burden, or go full in and face the music, instead of like acting like a cat around hot porrige. Most of all I wish Jordan continues to dance his dance with great style, and of course gets all the time and support he needs to grow and go on.
Like I have said many times before, he is not struggling with belief in Christianity or the 'burden' of being a spiritual seeker. He crossed that threshold a long time ago when he decided to act as if God exists and the scripture is His revelation. There is nothing more burdensome then taking on that responsibility. What he is struggling with, frankly, is you. That portion of his 'fan base' who feels like he needs to take a few more steps towards this or that spiritual outlook and everything will be revealed.
For you it's some form of shamanism/animism and rejection of monotheism, for many others it's fundamentalist Protestant Christianity, for his wife it's probably Roman Catholicism (although I am sure she knows him well enough not to evangelize), for Pageau it's more akin to Eastern Orthodox Christianity, so on and so forth. He is looking for something deeper and more authentic than all of those, especially in the wake of his recent trauma, and is getting fed up that no one seems to realize this 'simple' fact. He doesn't keep bringing up Jung's writings for no reason.