Shamanism and Occam's Razor
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Soul_of_Shu
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Re: Shamanism and Occam's Razor
Santeri ... I'm kinda partial to the term 'sorcerers' ... hopefully not too offensive for your performance artist ego
Here out of instinct or grace we seek
soulmates in these galleries of hieroglyph and glass,
where mutual longings and sufferings of love
are laid bare in transfigured exhibition of our hearts,
we who crave deep secrets and mysteries,
as elusive as the avatars of our dreams.
soulmates in these galleries of hieroglyph and glass,
where mutual longings and sufferings of love
are laid bare in transfigured exhibition of our hearts,
we who crave deep secrets and mysteries,
as elusive as the avatars of our dreams.
Re: Shamanism and Occam's Razor
SanteriSatama wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:28 amThere's no such thing, except in the twisted imagination of Mirca Eliade.
Sounded like you criticized my brilliant answer as too complicated, and demanded yet again another eli5. That's hurtful and boring for my performance artist ego.makes simple what Western philosophy, with it's clever minds, makes complicated. Did this feel like I missed or did I not like your answer?
What is "eli5"?
I think we are tripping over words and I set it up by using the term Shamanism, which my Lakota friends hate for the reasons you suggest.
On the other hand, it's a much more comfortably used term in Brazil where I lived for 15 years.
What term(s) do you prefer?
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SanteriSatama
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Re: Shamanism and Occam's Razor
You mean 'brujo', like Don Juan referred to himself in Castaneda's books?
"Explain like I'm 5 years old"What is "eli5"?
They are correct to reject terms 'shamanism' and 'shaman', because they don't apply to the distributed and decentralized institution of elders, in contrast to the the individuated Siberian institution of shamans. The original, best and most general anthropological term available is shamanhood. Elders institution is a form of shamanhood. Actually all art, science, religion, politics etc. are forms of shamanhood, as that's the origin.I think we are tripping over words and I set it up by using the term Shamanism, which my Lakota friends hate for the reasons you suggest.
Term 'shaman' applies much better to vegetalistas, which are an individiuated social institution. And AFAIK they make also a distinction between the tamed shamans/vegetalistas and untamed brujos.On the other hand, it's a much more comfortably used term in Brazil where I lived for 15 years.
As said, shamanHOOD is a very good generic roof term for the wide variety of social forms etc.What term(s) do you prefer?
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Soul_of_Shu
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Re: Shamanism and Occam's Razor
eli5 ... acronym for 'explain like I'm five'
Here out of instinct or grace we seek
soulmates in these galleries of hieroglyph and glass,
where mutual longings and sufferings of love
are laid bare in transfigured exhibition of our hearts,
we who crave deep secrets and mysteries,
as elusive as the avatars of our dreams.
soulmates in these galleries of hieroglyph and glass,
where mutual longings and sufferings of love
are laid bare in transfigured exhibition of our hearts,
we who crave deep secrets and mysteries,
as elusive as the avatars of our dreams.
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Soul_of_Shu
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So was Jung doing shamanhood?
Here out of instinct or grace we seek
soulmates in these galleries of hieroglyph and glass,
where mutual longings and sufferings of love
are laid bare in transfigured exhibition of our hearts,
we who crave deep secrets and mysteries,
as elusive as the avatars of our dreams.
soulmates in these galleries of hieroglyph and glass,
where mutual longings and sufferings of love
are laid bare in transfigured exhibition of our hearts,
we who crave deep secrets and mysteries,
as elusive as the avatars of our dreams.
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SanteriSatama
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Oh yes.
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I found that in South America, "healers" or "curanderos" was a good generic term, whereas "doctors" was suggested up North. No one way though.
Be calm - Be clear - See the faults - See the suffering - Give your love
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Soul_of_Shu
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Screw you woke language police, I'm going with witch doctors! 
Here out of instinct or grace we seek
soulmates in these galleries of hieroglyph and glass,
where mutual longings and sufferings of love
are laid bare in transfigured exhibition of our hearts,
we who crave deep secrets and mysteries,
as elusive as the avatars of our dreams.
soulmates in these galleries of hieroglyph and glass,
where mutual longings and sufferings of love
are laid bare in transfigured exhibition of our hearts,
we who crave deep secrets and mysteries,
as elusive as the avatars of our dreams.
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SanteriSatama
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Re: Shamanism and Occam's Razor
Witch is a good word.Soul_of_Shu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:56 am Screw you woke language police, I'm going with witch doctors!
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Which witches?
Be calm - Be clear - See the faults - See the suffering - Give your love