OK, so you don't belong to the Platonists camp I agree that the process of creating ideations is immanent. But how does you proposition "there is no abiding state of non-ideation" align with the experience of many advanced meditators of the state of an absence of any ideations whatsoever?Soul_of_Shu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:19 pm Just to be clear, I'm not positing that any given idea is immanent and uncaused, i.e. has always existed, but that the process of ideation is the immanent, ontological imperative, such that there is no abiding state of non-ideation, from which at some point ideation inexplicably arises ~ other than the ever-present origin ~ nor can ideation ever finally cease. So if ideation can never not be the case, and ideas are an infinitude, then some form of idea will always be present, and thus it's a moot point to suggest their absence.
My understanding is that in such thoughtless state the creative process of ideation is still intact, but it is on a temporary hold, which is still a state of potentiality to unfold in any ideation. If such potentiality would disappear, then it would not be possible for any ideations to emerge afterwards and the consciousness would be stuck in the thoughtless state "forever".