Eugene I wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:39 pm
One of the results of such liberation, paired with the view that there is a variety of paths, is that we gain the freedom to choose and change the paths, and the reason to change may not have anything to do with any antipathy to any paths, but simply because other paths may open to us more opportunities for further development of our consciousness.
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Attaining the highest harmony may be the telos of this particular spiritual path of humanity defined by Christ, but that's not the only possible telos in the infinite universe of paths. Other paths may be shaped with very different kinds of telos. I would think that the state of the complete ultimate harmony is pretty boring
, but if this is something one wants to attain, then sure, why not?
Eugene I wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:09 am
Trying to subdue all living forms under a
single center of a single limited set of ideas without leaving any alternative choice is the totalizing ideology. It's an attempt to constrain the
unlimited freedom and potential of Consciousness to express in an infinite variety of forms and develop in an infinite variety of paths.
I don't know how you arrived at the
bold text The One Idea that I speak about captures precisely the
underlined text. Probably you still conceive 'idea' in the purely intellectual sense, as a concept within the local mind. By 'One Idea' I don't imply a cherry-picked idea from infinitely many but the one that encompasses the infinity of ideas as a wholeness. That's the harmony of ideas. In your language this is the One Consciousness within which any conceivable experience can exist. The reason I use the word 'idea' is to emphasize that this Consciousness experiences meaning. Every state of the Macrocosmic Consciousness is an experience of a Cosmic-scale Idea - this is what gives the cognitive essence of the state. The fact that this Consciousness can be conscious of the different paths of experience, in itself shows that it cognizes a higher-order idea which encompasses the paths in a whole. Without this higher-order idea it would be impossible for the Consciousness to know that the different idea-paths in fact exist within One Consciousness (Scott's remark) - as soon as the Consciousness experiences one of the paths it would be completely impossible to know that alternatives exist. Since the Consciousness understands that the idea-path it experiences is only one of infinitely many, this already shows that this one infinity is being cognized at least asymptotically.
I hope that we've cleared that out. The One Idea at the Center of Deep M@L is not a
single limited set of ideas but the the total infinity of ideas (corresponding to your
underlined text). Here we simply hit upon the limitations of any geometrical representation. Just because the Center is presented as a point on the illustration, this doesn't mean that it is only one of infinitely many points. In reality this 'center' should be thought to permeate everything. Everything is a differentiated potential of this One infinity, which is everywhere at once.
I suppose that we agree on this one. The Center of Deep M@L points to the same potential that you refer to in the
underlined text. Now where our views deviate is on the actual details of this differentiation and integration of potential.
In your view the threshold of death marks the demarcation between the free potential and the manifest incarnate existence. What I say is that there's a whole gradient of forms of consciousness/existence - from the most free at the Center to the most rigidly manifested at the periphery. Death is only a change of consciousness but we are still within the spiritual context of the planetary Spheres. In other words, this spiritual path that we are treading will take much much longer until it reaches the state of the free potential.
I'm repeating myself. It's undeniable that while incarnated we are
within the telos of the body, humanity, Earth, Solar system. The conjecture that after death (again, assuming we've resolved our sensory attachments) we are free to switch paths (that is, we're free from the happenings within humanity and the Cosmic surroundings) rests entirely upon an
assumption which by its very character can only be verified after death. This produces the dichotomy that I've spoken about and which Ashvin noted. Because of our impatience for spiritual freedom we are forced to reject any possibility of reaching truths through development of cognition, and instead we have no choice but to invent completely different rules of existence beyond the threshold of death. Yet we can only do this through the phantom ideas that we support by belief.
The following is probably insultingly simple analogy but it is nevertheless confirmed as very precise from the standpoint of higher cognition. To imagine that we are freed from all entanglements with the evolution of humanity and the Spheres after death, is like imagining that once we fall asleep at night we'll be able to choose in any way we want, where to wake up, in what body, in what conditions, etc. The waking/sleeping rhythm is only a sub-rhythm of the incarnational, which itself is only a sub-rhythm of the higher-order Cosmic rhythms. The spirals within spirals folding of DNA comes to mind:
Our incarnations are not simply shifts between the world of forms and free potential but are more like rhythmic oscillations along the higher order spirals of evolution of consciousness.
We should try and grasp the seriousness of the situation. It's pretty clear that while incarnated we have to live through every single moment of our development from child till old age. Even if we think in purely abstract way it is only logical that our perspective will develop through multiple such nested rhythms on its way towards the integration of the Cosmic potential. This is confirmed by higher cognition. There's a great difference between attaching and subduing to a deity and understanding the reality of the situation. There's difference between worshipping winter and having clear understanding that we should prepare wood and warm clothes for it. Not only that we hold on to fantastic ideas when we imagine that we'll be freed from the spirals of evolution after death, but this has harmful and paralyzing effect for development. Every thing has its appropriate time. If a child doesn't learn to speak at the right time it only becomes more and more difficult afterwards. It's similar with evolution in general. Now it is up to us to investigate what's needed for our proper development. Some children prepare their homework for the next day. Other children imagine that there's no need to do so because when they fall to sleep they'll be teleported in other worlds where there's no more homeworks. As trivial as it sounds, this is the state of affairs for modern humanity. Today we not only don't yet tackle the interesting and creative question of how to do our homework but we are arguing if this homework is at all needed or is just an act of submissive worship to some deity. It's time to reckon that in our age it's no longer a matter of spare time philosophizing, while the 'real' life happens out there. Our collective future depends in the most real sense on our proper understanding of the human being and its
deep structure. And within Deep M@L this structure is only at a 'one thought distance'. There are no obstacles for the exploration of this structure except ourselves.