Ah, interesting. So I agree with Bernardo that you could be focused on one thing with your meta-consciousness but there could be an experience of being curious about what is being said around you that is impinging on your current meta-experience. I disagree with Bernardo that these phenomenal dissociations exist 'as themselves' so to speak, as segmented, differentiated experiences. This is what I'm asking about.
I'd love to know why you think Bernardo (and I guess me) is wrong with regard to certain phenomenal experiences. You say that we'd have to be paying attention to the whispering to feel curious about it. But why? If I'm focused on reading a book and then somebody draws my attention to the adorable chatter of the kids playing in the corner, I could easily go, "Oh, yeah that explains why my experience of reading shifted a little while ago. I hadn't realized I was also enjoying those kids." Or I could suddenly put down my book realizing that I'm very curious about about the whispering. Or I suddenly realize that I've been feeling so odd because I dreamt that Albert Einstein was explaining something very complicated to me in an angry tone. That experience of the dream or the curiosity is what Bernardo says is impinging upon my current meta-consciousness.
And as Bernardo points out, you can be focused on writing a work email but a specific annoying idea that somebody said to you earlier in the day is still bothering you. The nature of the 'bother' is completely dependent on the nature of the idea. Sure when you heard it earlier in the day it was part of your meta-consciousness but now it impinges on your state as you write the email.
But you do agree with some of the dissociated experiences, and you do not want to call them alters (I agree). So then how do you think of them as each being dissociated from your ego-meta-awareness and from each other? Bernardo clearly thinks they are just that. I would say that if that is the case than there is an experiencer in each of them, one hearing the siren, one seeing the thread sway in the background, one feeling the nostril...
Soul_of_Shu wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:51 pm Well, I concur that one can be aware of suppressed endogenous emotions at a subliminal level, while being metacognitively focused on a task at hand, and as such one's actions are to some degree influenced by those subliminal feelings. However, addressing the list above, while I can concur that while being metacogintively involved in some daydream about an upcoming vacation, one can also be subliminally aware of the percept of some coworkers' whispering in the background (#9), I do not concur that one would be subliminally aware of being curious about what they're saying (#10), or subliminally aware of being worried about that (#11), since that would involve paying attention to the whispering, rather than to the daydream, and also imposing some metacognitive overlay onto it—i.e. thinking about what they are thinking, and thus no longer just subliminal. This seems to be significantly different from being subliminally aware of repressed endogenous emotions.