And suddenly the thread exploded in all directions away from the central question
European fear, colonialism, racism, missing historical records ... Anything but the event horizon of Thinking.
I'm sorry if I have offended someone with the word 'savage'. I accept proposals for politically correct term that refers to a human being at instinctive stage of development.
Eugene I wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:13 am
I would be glad to agree with you, but I studied and practiced Western traditions, and found only one clear reference to formless (its knowing-2 aspect), which is
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But if you can give me more quotes referring to the formless aspects of Conscious activity, I will be glad to agree with you.
So I would rather put aside any superiority claims ...
What I've wrote in the previous post doesn't depend on documental support. We're speaking about the very spiritual core of the human being. All that is required is living Experience of Thinking (knowing-2) - of the Conscious Spiritual Activity. I'll be very sad if by any chance you 'agree' just because you are presented with more quotes. This simply completely misses the point of everything we're doing here.
I don't have wide knowledge of philosophy and spiritual heritage of the West so I can't be of much use with quotes. But even if I had, I still think there wouldn't be much of what you seek as 'formlessness'. The reason is that what was 'formless' for the pre-Christ mystic, now, as the event horizon shifts, becomes cognitively experiential reality - it's what we call Spiritual World in the most general sense. It's my personal opinion that the word 'formless' is way too abstract. I'm not sure if there are two persons in this forum who conceive the same thing when they hear it. Maybe that's why it is liked, I don't know. It's like a wildcard for inexplicable conscious experience. Anything that we can't make sense of, we throw in the bucket labeled 'formless'. As long as we can think about things comfortably, we call them forms. As we shift our focus closer and closer to our Thinking core, we begin to experience 'eyestrain'. Just as it becomes painful to focus our eyes on an object that is too close, so it is in the spiritual sense. We often hear about spiritual myopia. This is readily understandable - people only comprehend their limited perimeter. But there's also spiritual hyperopia. Our inability to experience the Thinking process is precisely about that. We approach the event horizon of thinking and it becomes painful. At this point we say 'now things are becoming
formless! This is the edge of Consciousness from whence everything sprouts.' Yet through proper development we can shift the event horizon and these intimate experiences become completely
clear. Now what was previously formless turns out to be dynamic, living Spiritual process, full of meaning. Just as any ordinary thought carries an idea (even if it is confused idea), so all Spiritual processes are expressions of living ideas, ideas expressed through be-ing.
As said, the horizon never disappears. It only moves further and further towards the Fountainhead. The Kabbalists expressed this in their Wisdom. They could speak of the ten attributes (Sephiroth) of God, yet they called the primordial limitless - Ain Soph Aur. So this knowledge is not missing at all. But what has opened up for cognitive evolution between Ain Soph Aur and man, is what concerns the Initiates after the times of Golgotha. Because therein lie the keys for the redemption of humanity.