Artificial metabolism and disscociation of MAL
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:25 pm
After a loong time contemplating, reading, researching and staring at the ceiling I am back with more questions for the idealists. I have concluded that due to many consistent reports from anesthesiologists and surgeons of people being woken up whilst under anesthesia and/or on light doses of anesthesia and not remembering a damn thing even though metacognitive or even just waking consciousness was observed via other people, along with the fact that many flat line coma patients (flat line obviously being lower brain activity than the delta waves associated with anesthesia) experience dreams and NDE like states, so thus I will no longer be bothering with that one. Analytic idealism is indeed a slippery fish to catch.
This post is the beginning of my next dialogue challenging and contemplating idealism, and if I am satisfied with these challenges I will then present something completely different. Anyway lets get on with it.....
One of BK's points is that metabolism is a key sign of dissociation from MAl, but in what way does this account for the recent artificial metabolic life forms created by scientists? A totally artificial yet alive specimen of E. coli was created in a lab by man made proteins and such, as detailed in this article here https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/15/scie ... teria.html this research can actually be found on numerous news and science journal sites across the internet. They took a real E. coli cell and quote "the researchers built small segments and swapped them piece by piece into E. coli genomes. By the time they were done, no natural segments remained. Much to their relief, the altered E. coli did not die. The bacteria grow more slowly than regular E. coli and develop longer, rod-shaped cells. But they are very much alive."
Okay so this opens a whole can of gooey living and long dead fossilized worms, especially to the very nature of dissociation in regards to all forms of metabolisms (are viruses alters now?) where does dissociation begin, can delicately messing around with DNA chains induce a dissociation in MAL? The simple almost mechanic (albeit also very complex) nature of rudimentary life forms whilst resembling the net-like nature of the universe in that it is blobby and hive like in structures also informs a very mechanistic view of the world, a bunch of proteins are programmed into doing something based on the interaction of complex shapes and charges, is this where consciousness begins? Is messing with matter by human hands capable of inducing a universal subject into one of nearly infinite dismal existences as an oscillating blob? Does this strengthen materialism? Or is constituent matter a resource for experiential states, like the gooey thought forms that float about in your head, like a vast mass of alluring thoughts that can break singular concentration if stimulated into a fixation of experience, changing the identity of the whole into a singular form within the whole? How easy is it to lure MAL or could this be used to strengthen panpsychism or hylomorphism or some buddhist like process ontology? Give me hell.
This post is the beginning of my next dialogue challenging and contemplating idealism, and if I am satisfied with these challenges I will then present something completely different. Anyway lets get on with it.....
One of BK's points is that metabolism is a key sign of dissociation from MAl, but in what way does this account for the recent artificial metabolic life forms created by scientists? A totally artificial yet alive specimen of E. coli was created in a lab by man made proteins and such, as detailed in this article here https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/15/scie ... teria.html this research can actually be found on numerous news and science journal sites across the internet. They took a real E. coli cell and quote "the researchers built small segments and swapped them piece by piece into E. coli genomes. By the time they were done, no natural segments remained. Much to their relief, the altered E. coli did not die. The bacteria grow more slowly than regular E. coli and develop longer, rod-shaped cells. But they are very much alive."
Okay so this opens a whole can of gooey living and long dead fossilized worms, especially to the very nature of dissociation in regards to all forms of metabolisms (are viruses alters now?) where does dissociation begin, can delicately messing around with DNA chains induce a dissociation in MAL? The simple almost mechanic (albeit also very complex) nature of rudimentary life forms whilst resembling the net-like nature of the universe in that it is blobby and hive like in structures also informs a very mechanistic view of the world, a bunch of proteins are programmed into doing something based on the interaction of complex shapes and charges, is this where consciousness begins? Is messing with matter by human hands capable of inducing a universal subject into one of nearly infinite dismal existences as an oscillating blob? Does this strengthen materialism? Or is constituent matter a resource for experiential states, like the gooey thought forms that float about in your head, like a vast mass of alluring thoughts that can break singular concentration if stimulated into a fixation of experience, changing the identity of the whole into a singular form within the whole? How easy is it to lure MAL or could this be used to strengthen panpsychism or hylomorphism or some buddhist like process ontology? Give me hell.