Questions about higher consciousness
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:16 pm
I have to promise this will be the last of my pseudo spammy questions on philosophical discourse and that I haven't abandoned ship on reciprocating people for answering my other inquiry, but Sam Harris (I think) and some other neuroscientists I've listened to say that there's nothing outside of our matter interfering with the matter in a way that would eradicate their conception of cause/effect predictability. This isn't to say that I think (or at least that I know) their argument is even correct or that we could ever conjure the prerequisite knowledge for falsifying that to our arsenal anyway but I wanted to talk about how utilizing higher consciousness could manifest in real world control over ourselves, both within the predictable control for what a neuroscientist/physicist would read as normal under experimentation, as well as anything they might be missing about their measurements.
How do these changes manifest in our day to day lives? I do not mind if it's very difficult or even impossible to word these things as it's higher consciousness for a reason,
So my questions are, are there credible reasons to believe scientists cannot rightly measure every effect of consciousness on how it expresses in matter and experience without unwittingly intruding upon falsifiable territory? And second, am I right to believe that this mode of cognition manifests in your real life human agency as a better form of self control than being tethered to material and worldly troubles?
Bonus round would be that I'd love a comprehensive index of all the posts and things besides Steiner's Higher Consciousness that I should read but that isn't necessary, I'm a 'connoisseur' of technique and if I'm told where to look with reason to do so I can set myself about that. To in one breath profess humility and flanderize the word spiritual by evoking the pop culture use of it, I consider myself a very spiritually weak and psychologically lacking person who has panic attacks when he tries to meditate and who's failed to the best of his ability at escaping his past traumas, but I seek technical understanding in my pursuit of mastery (the arts, martial and not) and in being in control of myself to not let my friends and family down in future when they're suffering and need my assistance. I'd be happy to grow.
Would higher consciousness enable me more self control and inner strength? I definitely consider the, not only materialistic, but 'typical' way people are taught to conceive of problems to be suboptimal even within the boundaries of what's considered mundane understanding, as if cultural paradigms and zeitgeists work as a sort of prison for our perception.
I would not mind learning a new way. Even if I have to learn patience to read a lot of materials and push myself to meditate upon them, figuratively or literally, for many hours a day. I am stubborn when I start, spectrum borne susceptibilities be damned.
How do these changes manifest in our day to day lives? I do not mind if it's very difficult or even impossible to word these things as it's higher consciousness for a reason,
this excerpt by mr Cleric K had grabbed my attention by explaining that very wellYeah. This is key. The immediate conception of clairvoyance for most people is that a kind of extra layer of perceptions is overlaid on top of our ordinary senses (for example we begin to see shiny auras around people). This of course implicitly assumes that the relation of the thinking ego towards these higher perceptions is the same as to the sensory. In other words, higher seeing is imagined as something like sensory vision but of some finer, more ethereal kind.
So my questions are, are there credible reasons to believe scientists cannot rightly measure every effect of consciousness on how it expresses in matter and experience without unwittingly intruding upon falsifiable territory? And second, am I right to believe that this mode of cognition manifests in your real life human agency as a better form of self control than being tethered to material and worldly troubles?
Bonus round would be that I'd love a comprehensive index of all the posts and things besides Steiner's Higher Consciousness that I should read but that isn't necessary, I'm a 'connoisseur' of technique and if I'm told where to look with reason to do so I can set myself about that. To in one breath profess humility and flanderize the word spiritual by evoking the pop culture use of it, I consider myself a very spiritually weak and psychologically lacking person who has panic attacks when he tries to meditate and who's failed to the best of his ability at escaping his past traumas, but I seek technical understanding in my pursuit of mastery (the arts, martial and not) and in being in control of myself to not let my friends and family down in future when they're suffering and need my assistance. I'd be happy to grow.
Would higher consciousness enable me more self control and inner strength? I definitely consider the, not only materialistic, but 'typical' way people are taught to conceive of problems to be suboptimal even within the boundaries of what's considered mundane understanding, as if cultural paradigms and zeitgeists work as a sort of prison for our perception.
I would not mind learning a new way. Even if I have to learn patience to read a lot of materials and push myself to meditate upon them, figuratively or literally, for many hours a day. I am stubborn when I start, spectrum borne susceptibilities be damned.