Can Idealism be without thought?
Can Idealism be without thought?
That's the question.
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Re: Can Idealism be without thought?
It is a metaphysical position expressed in language, in that sense no. But perhaps that was not what you were really asking?
Is sentience as such dependent from matter and/or sapience? I would suggest not.
Is sentience as such dependent from matter and/or sapience? I would suggest not.
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Re: Can Idealism be without thought?
Nothing can be without consciousness, including ideas, which is the point of the idea of idealism.
Here out of instinct or grace we seek
soulmates in these galleries of hieroglyph and glass,
where mutual longings and sufferings of love
are laid bare in transfigured exhibition of our hearts,
we who crave deep secrets and mysteries,
as elusive as the avatars of our dreams.
soulmates in these galleries of hieroglyph and glass,
where mutual longings and sufferings of love
are laid bare in transfigured exhibition of our hearts,
we who crave deep secrets and mysteries,
as elusive as the avatars of our dreams.
Re: Can Idealism be without thought?
Can consciousness be without mentation?Soul_of_Shu wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:36 pm Nothing can be without consciousness, including ideas, which is the point of the idea of idealism.
Can reason be without thinking?
I definitely was not asking about expression in language.It is a metaphysical position expressed in language, in that sense no. But perhaps that was not what you were really asking?
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Re: Can Idealism be without thought?
advaita vedanta talks about pure awareness, without any thought. That's the real you.
Re: Can Idealism be without thought?
I agree!
The question, however, is whether a 'Western Non-dualism' or 'rational spiritualism' is possible.
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Re: Can Idealism be without thought?
Under idealism Consciousness is the ontological primitive. The activity of this fundamental, irreducible Consciousness, i.e. its 'mentation'/'ideation', is its ontological imperative ~ as inextricable as formlessness><form. I'd suggest that any reasoning is a function of it being meta-conscious.
Here out of instinct or grace we seek
soulmates in these galleries of hieroglyph and glass,
where mutual longings and sufferings of love
are laid bare in transfigured exhibition of our hearts,
we who crave deep secrets and mysteries,
as elusive as the avatars of our dreams.
soulmates in these galleries of hieroglyph and glass,
where mutual longings and sufferings of love
are laid bare in transfigured exhibition of our hearts,
we who crave deep secrets and mysteries,
as elusive as the avatars of our dreams.
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Re: Can Idealism be without thought?
Process philosophy does not support the ideation of any ontological primitive in the first place, substance is not presumed. The problem with substance metaphysics, which also Bernardo runs into, is projection of meta-cognition into infinite regress of nesting with cosmic solipsism on top. The lonely navel gazing god as the experiencER that experiencing supposedly requires. Whether this is intended or not, it's an image hard to avoid when starting from substance metaphysics.Soul_of_Shu wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:06 pm Under idealism Consciousness is the ontological primitive. The activity of this fundamental, irreducible Consciousness, i.e. its 'mentation'/'ideation', is its ontological imperative ~ as inextricable as formlessness><form. I'd suggest that any reasoning is a function of it being meta-conscious.
Re: Can Idealism be without thought?
Did you just violate your initial observation? >>>Under idealism Consciousness is the ontological primitive. The activity of this fundamental, irreducible Consciousness, i.e. its 'mentation'/'ideation', is its ontological imperative ~ as inextricable as formlessness><form. I'd suggest that any reasoning is a function of it being meta-conscious
It is a metaphysical position expressed in language, in that sense no.
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Re: Can Idealism be without thought?
Yes! Very hard to avoid.SanteriSatama wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:28 pmProcess philosophy does not support the ideation of any ontological primitive in the first place, substance is not presumed. The problem with substance metaphysics, which also Bernardo runs into, is projection of meta-cognition into infinite regress of nesting with cosmic solipsism on top. The lonely navel gazing god as the experiencER that experiencing supposedly requires. Whether this is intended or not, it's an image hard to avoid when starting from substance metaphysics.Soul_of_Shu wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:06 pm Under idealism Consciousness is the ontological primitive. The activity of this fundamental, irreducible Consciousness, i.e. its 'mentation'/'ideation', is its ontological imperative ~ as inextricable as formlessness><form. I'd suggest that any reasoning is a function of it being meta-conscious.
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